Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Painter on February 04, 2024, 02:07:41 PMI do wonder, however, if there are not those here who fear that the Giants might actually win 9 or 10 games, make the POs, and so not give us the end we are so clearly rooting for.

That already happened in 2022. It also proved to be the team's ceiling and resulted in an unworthy QB being given a franchise player contract. There was nothing sustainable to build on.

Are the Daniel Jones dead-enders interested in a repeat of that? Perhaps the organization feeling backed into a corner so they restructure or extend the contract and lock him in through at least another season? At what point do the Daniel Jones dead-enders accept the reality that this organization isn't going anywhere until it gets a legitimate QB?

Assuming Jones is even ready to play by week 1, and in the unlikely event the schedule is soft enough and enough bounces go their way to back into the playoffs, where do they go from there? There wouldn't be any more to build on than there was in 2022. It's just a different level of QB hell. There is no realistic possibility for a Super Bowl as long as a deficient player like Jones is the QB.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 04, 2024, 09:50:51 AMIt sounds like you haven't listened to Banks all that much.  I listen to all his podcasts and follow his Twitter and he isn't even remotely like Pat Hanlon

That tracks.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 04, 2024, 09:26:42 AMI'm kind of done with the Jones debates. We're going into year six with him for crying out loud. It has been pure hell. Or at least it has been for any Giants fan whose primary concern is winning and not a personal agenda with a specific player.

Yep. QB hell to be exact.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 04, 2024, 09:28:23 AMBanks has a great deal of credibility with me.  First, I understand what Banks' situation is, so I understand what he can and can't say.  I also appreciate if you can listen with that in mind, there is a great deal of insider information and insights that can be gained.

It's like listening to the two beat reporters who act as Giants' mouthpieces; if you know how to interpret what they say, there is a great deal of value.

Banks is Pat Hanlon with actual football knowledge. Listen to him and understand he is in the business of selling you on the team rather than teaching you anything.

Carl Banks has no credibility when it comes to the Giants players. If he's so down on the OL he should start naming names. Is he ready to criticize Evan Neal and JMS or is he not allowed to do so just yet.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 02, 2024, 03:54:03 PMThomas and Dex (his two biggest stars) were inherited

Good point. Schoen has to show that he can move the needle. It's year 3 and the clock is ticking.

Quote from: President Rick on January 31, 2024, 08:06:10 AMthese draftniks always seem to put a premium on QB and WR.  After all they get the most coverage and hype most of the time all season long.  But you need 11 on O, 11 on D and ST's and backups, and they all can't be qb's and wr;s.

The rules have evolved to give the advantage to the QB and WRs. If you can find an elite one it tilts the field in your advantage.

Problems I wish we had.

The stupidest thing this organization could do is pass up one of the big 3 QBs should the opportunity present itself. Stop rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. It hasn't worked in the past and won't work in the future. These guys need to grow a pair and make a power move at the QB position. My preferences are Williams, then Daniels, then May but would be happy with any of the three.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 29, 2024, 01:49:52 PMPugh wasn't bad as a Giant, just couldn't stay on the field.  Flowers we know was better with a position switch.  Not sure Bobby Hart was much better in Cincy, but they were able to work around him.

If you go by PFF grades:

Pugh was fairly consistent across his career until the last couple years.

Weston Richburg had lower grades with the 49ers.

Bobby Hart had consistently bad grades with the exception of one decent year his third year with the Bengals.

Ereck Flowers appeared to play better at Guard but his grades didn't improve at all until his final year in the league.

I believe Coughlin is consulting for Antonio Pierce and the Raiders. I think the scope will be limited to assembling the coaching staff but not sure about that.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 28, 2024, 08:56:11 AMWhat stats are you comparing here? 

Here is Bosa's stats:

I think he meant Nick Bosa.

This is a good discussion. I understand the criticisms of Thibs. I'm hoping he can develop into a more consistent player. He has talent but the holes in his game that people have pointed out are legitimate concerns. You always worry that a guy like this will do well against weaker competition and then disappear against the better offenses.

I'll give Schoen credit for cashing out in time on this player. He brought back a 3rd and 6th round pick. Toney is completely worthless by now.

It's hard to believe a first round pick could lose so much value in only 3 years. Never mind the opportunity cost of trading the pick that could have brought back an All Pro edge rusher or right tackle. Thank Gettleman for that one.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 27, 2024, 09:41:09 AMI would have to think, since he worked with him in Buffalo, that Joe Schoen was well aware.  I also have to think that Joe Schoen believed it wouldn't be a problem.

It's possible the Daboll stories are being overblown but at this point it's getting harder and harder to have a lot of confidence in Schoen.

Agree that you can't trade down assuming one guy will automatically be there for you. What happens if he's not there.

Let's also not forget that the last time the Giants traded back in the first round was an unmitigated disaster (Kadarius Toney and Evan Neal). It isn't a given that more picks is automatically better. You have to know who's available and have a good understanding of their value.