Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: ozzie on October 06, 2023, 01:25:41 PMI'm not here to say whether DJ is or isn't the guy, but if Schoen & Daboll wanted a diffrent "Guy" they shouldn't have given Jones the contract. The fact that they did says to me that they picked their guy, and it is Jones.
Not saying they won't regret it, but when a choice had to be made, they made it.

Quote from: JT39 on October 06, 2023, 01:35:40 PMBingo! People are dismissing Daboll and Jones - but they both wanted him back and paid him handsomely for it. So Jones IS their guy now.

If Jones was their guy, they would not have constructed an escape clause. They would have given him a Watson, Burrow, Hurts, Herbert type of deal and lock it in

Quote from: JT39 on October 06, 2023, 01:28:00 PMBut again..... You are assuming that if we passed on Jones in 2019 - we would have the same record and draft choice in 2020. Thats not how the NFL works. Like I said, maybe we would have won a few more games? Maybe had a worse record and still could have picked up. No one knows. You cant assume things that are impossible to predict. You cant sit in the war room in 2019 and say "well Herbert didnt come out, lets just wait until next year to draft him." I mean do you really think front offices think that way?

If that is the case, you don't draft Daniel Jones due to FOMO.

Quote from: umassgrad on October 06, 2023, 01:26:55 PMDid Darren Waller forget how to get open once he joined the Giants?

No, he has been open plenty. He had a TD on Monday that any good nfl QB would have thrown

Quote from: JT39 on October 06, 2023, 01:23:09 PMNever once said they should force a pick. I said if they do take a QB in the top 10, he should play immediately which is not even close to what you are accusing me of saying.

What I pointed out was your hypothetical situation of passing on Jones and taking Herbert the following year is fantasy land because that is not how football works.

IDK how it works in fantasy land, but in the real life NFL, Herbert and to a lesser extent Tua, were both picked after the Giants selected.

Quote from: JT39 on October 06, 2023, 12:52:53 PMYes, I am predicting the first time Jones is sacked Sunday, there will be immediate posts blaming him for it.

Only if he doesn't read the defense properly would he be blamed. As you yourself in other threads acknowledged he has done.

Quote from: JT39 on October 06, 2023, 12:50:31 PMThe amount of cliches on this site amuses me...lol

It's a fact, do you have a magical crystal ball that I'm unaware of?

Quote from: JT39 on October 06, 2023, 12:46:49 PMNo you draft a QB when the opportunity is right. You just dont pick 1 to pick 1.

Can't determine the outcome of an opportunity unless you seize it

Quote from: JT39 on October 06, 2023, 12:41:23 PMIt has worked wonders for the Browns.

Sure, lets never draft a QB again for all eternity. It seems you have a sound idea in how to build an nfl roster and assess players

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 06, 2023, 12:40:44 PMI assume you mean we only have to PAY him one more year.

The Giants don't have to PLAY him for even one more game if they don't want to.

If they were OK benching Golladay, if they have another option I think this is accurate, they won't let salaries dictate playing time

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 06, 2023, 12:31:26 PMIf this is the narrative you're going with apply that to Daniel Jones.  What team was beating down his door to give him the contract the Giants did?  If he is as good as you believe wouldn't Jones have had teams all coveting him?

Hell with the bidding war the Giants got a bargain here!

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 06, 2023, 12:31:02 PMDid you even read what I posted, or did you just read the headline and post a response?

I read it, and appreciate much of what was said. There some flaws in his assessment but I agree with most of it. Doesn't really change my my previous comment though. They don't have the guy and need to keep trying until they do.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 06, 2023, 12:22:34 PMJoe didn't say "Daniel Jones", he said "quarterback".   He then went on to talk about how Brady, Peyton Manning, and Rodgers were all affected when their lines played poorly.

Of course they were affected, but they also made the plays when they were there.

DJ has never been in a position to join that type of company, never will

Quote from: JT39 on October 06, 2023, 12:22:09 PMThe stats say opposite. Pointing out to  few select plays doesnt make your point true.

Again, if the talent is so great - why didnt other teams want them?

What stats?

Danny boy is locking onto and looking for the checkdown every play

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 06, 2023, 12:00:35 PMI get a sense not everyone watched the video. 

Perhaps the most relevant line from Joe Banner, in reference to Jones not doing well on the plays that he has good protection: "People don't understand the psyche once a QB loses confidence in his offensive line.  It permeates everything he does including the plays in which he has good protection"

Then DJ lacks mental toughness to overcome it. Receivers are open, he has to man up and stop playing afraid. He is paid the big bucks to do so.

Quote from: JT39 on October 06, 2023, 12:10:13 PMOr are you evaluting the talent and dismissing how bad the talent is because you hate Jones that much?

If our OL wasnt that bad - how come we cant run the ball either? 60 carries for 190 yards. Is that Jones' fault too?

Poor talent would not be frequently getting open like they are.

Not their fault the QB won't look their way because they aren't the checkdown.