Big Blue Huddle

I guess my question is- how does an organization with as much $$$ and resources as the New York Giants not do everything in their power to correctly diagnose issues like this from the start?  Especially when you consider the extreme INVESTMENT they make in their players- not just financially but in draft capital, time, coaching, etc. 

I just don't get it.  Can someone please explain to me how you can be in the business of players playing a violent sport and NOT doing everything in the business' power to diagnose and keep those players as healthy as possible???  If there is anywhere an NFL team should overinvest $$$ and resources it should be in the health and welfare of their players.

Yeah this has been an absolutely crazy year for injuries.  Our #1 seed in the playoffs just got knocked out because he had been riding Tyreek Hill and Keenan Allen all year. 

Just checking in on folks to see how you've been doing, if you made the playoffs, how your teams are looking. 

The team I had above is the 4 seed in the playoffs and I just had a MONSTER week to move on.  Since the start of the year I made a couple good moves- 1) picked up Kyren Williams, 2) after the first 6 games or so I traded Derrick Henry for Deebo, 3) I picked up Trey McBride when Waller went out, 4) I picked up a serviceable QB in Jordan Love early.

The one move I regret is I traded Tony Pollard for Justin Herbert a few weeks back and then Herbert stunk it up then went on IR so I'm back to Jordan Love. 

In the BBH league, I am hanging on by a thread of potentially winning this week (Latex Salesmen is my team)- if I win this week I get JT and Josh Jacobs back next week so I might be able to make some noise!!!

And in the last league I'm in I just got McCaffrey'd out of the playoffs.  Ah well, can't win em all.

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on December 13, 2023, 09:04:41 PMLetting Sequon Barkley walk might be stupidest move by the Giants other than Allie Sherman trading Sam Huff to the Redskins for Dick James , Andy Stynchula and a draft pick in 1964, ( i have been following the Giants since 1950)

Barkley is the heart and sole of the team. He is the captain , loved and respected by all his teamates. He leaves it all out on the fiend . He has been nominated for NFL person of the year.

Pay him a very decent salary , somewhat below Christain McCaffery and keep him on the team. Whoever the QB is next year , they will be much better with Barkley as his running back and receiver.

I know that I am in the minority here , but I could not care less. KEEP HIM  !!!

I don't know if you're in the minority, actually (and surprisingly, at least to me).  It looks like about 80% of the respondents above want Barkley back next year one way or another. 

If Gray had stepped up and looked like a solution at RB, I'd say let him walk.  Since Gray hasn't, I voted for the 2nd option.  It would be nice to not go into this draft with yet another gaping hole to fill and it should not cost very much per year to get it done.

Part of me wonders, with all his undeniable talent and leadership, just how "catchable" a ball he throws.  I think that matters when you have borderline talent at the WR position- and especially talent that seems to "churn", ie, it seems like he's always working with new WRs ever since Tyreek left.  Outside of Kelce he has no go-to guy, although Rashee Rice may develop into more of that role. 

But to answer the question- they'll be fine come playoff time.  Mahomes is just that good they will undoubtedly be in the mix to return to the Super Bowl.

I said it in another thread but the guy strikes me as a tough guy clown.  If he wants to mix it up with players, put some pads on and try it, tough guy.  I hope he gets suspended.

Just to revisit- what happened with putting Bama into the playoffs was an absolute disgrace.  Here's a good read with a lot of good reasons why:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39033710/cfp-anger-index-unpacking-outrage-florida-state-snub-2023

Also, I'll put this out there- to the argument that Bama is a better team than FSU or has a better chance of winning.  1) I personally think that when you wade FULLY into speculation like that instead of facts (as in, they have a loss and just barely beat 6-6 Auburn) then it's a sign of a weak argument, and 2)  even if I agreed they were the better team in January than FSU- it DOES NOT or SHOULD NOT matter.  There are plenty of subjective ways over the years to make this exact same case for a lot of teams that didn't make the playoffs....and it shouldn't matter.  Results on the field.  Win football games.  Win your conference.

What clearly drove this debacle is a yearning $$$$ need to make sure the SEC was represented in the playoff.  That's it.  End of story.  It shouldn't surprise any of us, but it's still repugnant. 

I love when bullies get bullied...especially at home.

And yeah that "Big Dom" guy is a clown- either put on some pads or get the hell away from the players, tough guy.

Quote from: sooners56 on December 03, 2023, 12:04:01 PMTexas is in over Bama. Both conference champs. Both 12-1 but Texas beat Bama in Alabama. Texas should be in. If not, why play the game 🤷🏼�♂️

Agreed.  It should be obvious that a head-to-head win gets the winning team in ahead of the other.  Every other opinion around Texas and Bama is subjective (such as recency, when they played, who would win tomorrow, yadda yadda)....while the scoreboard when they actually played one another is as plain and objective as can be.  With that kind of logic, a team could lose their first three games and then completely and dominantly win out and all of a sudden they deserve to be in the playoff?  Nope.

I feel like there are a lot of fans who are really hoping Joe Schoen isn't being as candid here as he has absolutely been with every question he's been asked since becoming GM.  In other words- I'd say it seems probable that he means what he says here and is not as focused on drafting a QB high as many fans are.  It's probable he still feels DJ is the guy...because he just said he's expecting DJ to be the starter and they still believe in him. 

Which means it's also probable we're going to have another meltdown on this board on draft night.  YIPPEEE!!!

Nobody.  Keep dreaming.

I'd much rather have the conversation at the end of the year about how the players didn't quit on each other and the head coach than what we're going to do with the #1 or #2 pick if it comes at the expense of the team quitting on the coach.  If that results in a nominally worse draft position, so be it. 

I wonder if it's time to start having the conversation around QB's and longevity similar to how we've been discussing RBs/injuries/longevity?  With defenses being so much bigger and faster I guess it was inevitable that more QBs would be getting hurt similar to RBs.  How does that change the dynamics of $$$$ allocation, etc.?  I mean, the 2 highest paid QBs in the league just went down for the season....talk about a financial hell situation.

1000% yes, no doubt. It will never happen though. Not a chance.