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Wink back to Baltimore ? lol

I feel like 4-3 may be better for run defense ....

How good would Thibs be with his hand on the ground though ? Did he do it much in college ?

I think Simmons/Okereke/McFadden would be a good 3 man LB crew as they are all three different types of LBs

Would def need one more pass rusher and beefy DT next to Lawrence though

If they really mutually parted ways just so he could be closer to his family in PA ... that is a classy move from Miami

Damn

Quote from: Painter on January 20, 2024, 02:27:05 PMWe don't know and we won't unless and until the Giants use a high pick on an OT and we get the impression that they are going to move Neal inside to OG. But, let's not forget that following Andrew Thomas's struggles his first 2 seasons, we were hearing B-word murmurs about him, right here in All Knowing Land.

Cheers!

Thomas did not struggle his softmore year like he did his rookie year

Neal got worse

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 20, 2024, 02:03:20 PMI don't think Daboll needs an "underling". I simply don't believe him to be that fragile.

But for anyone in a leadership position, trusting those on your management team is critical. The second you believe you're being undermined, you need to take action.

I will also add that he gave Wink the benefit of the doubt by A) holding an air it out meeting with all coaches and 2) once he got to the leaks he didn't hold Wink responsible for the Wilkins brothers, he fired them himself.

To me, each example was Daboll being a man in the situation.


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I agree , Daboll took a big step back this season ..... but I can't believe he was 100% of the problem in the Wink situation .... Daboll is the head coach point blank ..... Wink tried to go rogue ..... even after that Daboll left it on the table that he could still work for him

Think about that .... Daboll has to know that year 3 he's on the hot seat ..... obvious turmoil going on between the coaches with Daboll and wink and co ...... Daboll risked turmoil in his hot seat year by leaving the decision in Winks hand

Daboll isn't as much as a monster as the media is trying to say

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 21, 2024, 12:19:48 PMI think the rest of Paul Schwartz's story (aka what the Giants want you to hear) is setting up for a possible Kafka departure, even if it's just another OC job (former GM Randy Mueller in his latest podcast mentioned that Kafka's head coaching interviews could also serve as OC interviews).

I would not mind giving Tierney a go .... I know he has no history playcalling ...... but what can be worse than what we've witnessed the last 2 seasons

Great coaches have to get a start somewhere

Goff has so much time in that Pocket..... it does not seem real.... the whole play is actually able to play out

Quote from: londonblue on January 18, 2024, 11:34:17 AMGood: Robinson, McFadden, Pinnock, Belton
Bad: Jones, Waller, Nacho

Okereke was as good as I expected as was Slayton. Holmes was as bad as I expected. The OL was hideous but a collective and coaching hideous so not much sense just listing all of them. Our DL could not stop the run unless the opponent stupidly ran straight at Dex.

I think adding Waller hampered Bellinger as coaches tried to force stuff for Waller when he was out there (in particular Bellinger and Hodgins for that matter under-used in red zone).

I'm going to agree with Nacho .... 1 because he didn't do what he was signed to do and 2. His annoying celebrations when we are getting destroyed

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 19, 2024, 09:06:19 AMThat is my point.  There is a certain amount of get rid of Kafka but keep Daboll sentiment. Blaming Kafka for this year but not giving credit for last year. 

Because the offense hasn't been good for both years

Going for 2 which was a Daboll decision in game 1 of the season set the season for success .... Daboll took more risks in year one and a lot  paid off

This past season not so much

The jets game this season was a completely different Daboll and embarrassing I admit

But Kafka has been bad both seasons .... Daboll has not

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 18, 2024, 09:27:42 AMWhich player or players surprised you in a good way in 2023?


Which player or players surprised you in a bad way in 2023?

McFadden

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 18, 2024, 09:19:35 AMIt's only slander if it's not true.  I went into great detail about this in this post (and in this thread)

https://giantsfans.net/message_board/index.php?msg=937107

I will point out my biggest takeaway to date: neither side is disputing the claims put out by the other side.  So it would seem both side's are giving us the truth, the difference is that the two sides are supplying the facts they feel best support them and put the other side in the worse possible light.

Like I said Im not saying he isnt a hardass.... but like you said the players seem to like him and play hard for him... in the end thats what you want... especially the playing hard part

It seems like both Daboll and Wink both have strong personalities .... I was upset Wink left ......but if he really did start making a little rogue coaching unit hiding from the head of the team (Daboll) then yes Daboll has every right to be mad at that...its HIS coaching staff

The whole thing about Daboll lacking composure , being crazy ...etc...  may be slightly true

BUT

If Wink and his secret team were a real thing... what stops them or their connections from making false claims about Daboll when they already undermined him when they were employed under him ???


This is def at a minimum partial slander .... gathering a few articles , connecting the dots and listening to people like Pat Leanord does not give 100% of the story

I think Daboll and Wink both had problems ....its 50/50 and not just Daboll

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 18, 2024, 09:06:23 AMRon would be an interesting hire option.  Although I have serious doubts, Ron would want to come to work for Daboll.  I can't imagine a long-time head coach would want to be screamed at like he is a no-nothing coaching intern.

How sure are we that Daboll is that toxic ?

The dude was Coach of the year last year and everything was going great.


I honestly think its being over played here with the Daboll slander

I liked Wink ... and im not saying Daboll probably isnt a hardass ..but I dont think that means he isnt a good coach

Yes the schedule was weak...but we did make the second round last season ..... with Hodgins as our top WR ... and Jones at QB


Hopefully Daboll would view Rivera with a higher level of respect ... but then again I could be wrong about all this

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 17, 2024, 09:39:48 PMIn Chicago in terms of points owr game:

2004 middle of the pack
2005 1st in NFL
2006 3rd in NFL

SD not as good but improvement

2008 16th
2009 11th
2010 10th

One note on SD, in 2007 they were a top 5 defense with Rivera as LBs coach.

Not sure why the big dip from 2007 to 2008.

What kind of defense does he run ?

Terrible call to try and get the cowboys back in the game