Big Blue Huddle

And now we can't trade Adoree Jackson

Irony - if you told us in 2013 that Justin Pugh would be playing LT for us in 2023 we'd have taken it without question and assumed the draft pick was a success. Funny how things work.

We actually have a lead! We've only had one for 19 seconds all year, hope we can at least double it.

I feel like we'd be in danger of drafting 7 busts.

Wait, we've already done that.

There's definitely value in saying "let's get this one thing right once and for all" though. It works in business when you have to turn around a failing department or project.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 12, 2023, 08:54:36 PMDefine "cheap" though. Is $8-$9mm cheap for a RB?

Do you think he'll be less than that?

I don't have a number, but likely significantly less than that. Nobody's going to pay much for him at the rate he's going, so maybe the Giants give him a bonus to stick around.

Miles Sanders got about $6.4 million/year from Carolina. I think Barkley's value - at the rate he's going - would be less than that. It may take him awhile to accept it, but that's the reality.

Can we just forfeit the game?

Paradoxically I think the odds will actually start increasing that Barkley returns next year. We're going to need a cheap veteran RB, and with the way Barkley's season is going, whether he likes it or not, he'll be a cheap veteran RB.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 11, 2023, 12:56:35 PMI'm not worried at all about top QB prospects refusing to be drafted by (ie play for) the Giants. Sure our recent history has been very poor but it's still a blue blood franchise. No team picking in the top 3 in any year is in good shape in the near term. A great QB can change all that. Look at Burrow in Cincy or what appears to be ongoing in Jacksonville with Lawrence.

However, they see how terrible this OL is; they might even be playing behind a better line right now.

Sadly, he'd obviously go for the Jets.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 08, 2023, 09:04:04 PMThey replaced a good portion of scouts this past offseason. Schoen has his guys in there now, just not his medical or training staff.

They still have some left; all of the rot needs to go.

Quote from: LennG on October 10, 2023, 02:30:42 PMDallas Cowboys: Jerry Jones Slams Mike McCarthy After Loss to 49ers


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys-jerry-jones-slams-mike-mccarthy-after-loss-to-49ers/ar-AA1hZvjS?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ef4c49c7c026492f945411e5db10ca15&ei=9

Our guy is a meddlesome fool, but he doesn't go public in criticising his team and head coach.
Leave it to Jerrah to need to be in the spotlight again.

I remember "Why haven't we been playing Jernell Jernigan all along?!"

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 07:52:20 PMWe don't know if they were fully on board with Jones coming off last season with Mara's love of Jones their hands may have been tied

We know most of the Gettleman scouts are still on board; if Mara is making calls like that, then we have bigger problems.

Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 08:16:24 PMSome players are so special coaching doesn't matter; for example, Adam Case and Josh McDaniel are terrible coaches...they didn't hinder Manning or Brady.  Caleb is that kind of talent and the player I covet the most. 

What did Adam Gase do for Peyton, buy him donuts? He definitely ruined Sam Darnold.

Brady was a 2-time Superbowl winner by the time Josh McDaniels took over as QB coach.

Coaching absolutely matters for a rookie QB though. Look at how Urban Meyer almost made Trevor Lawrence a bust.

Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 07:14:09 PMAnd it's true. GMs get more rope than coaches so Schoen is safe. Daboll was coach of the year, something McAdoo, Shurmer and Judge never were so he is most likely returning even if he did a 10 minute nonsense rant to the press. 

Given ownership, likely. I'm saying he really hasn't earned it, and the team is trending in the wrong direction at an accelerating rate.

Quote from: Philosophers on October 08, 2023, 01:40:20 PMWhat Giants players are playing better this year than last year?  I can't think of one.  That is also a huge reason for the disappointing season.

And that's why I'm not sold on Daboll at all.

Schoen either.

The only reason I've heard why we should keep them is "we can't keep firing guys after 2 seasons".