Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: T200 on April 18, 2024, 03:25:47 PMI like Schoen but he's been burned by Jones twice and it's clear that Mara is still providing a negative influence on the roster.

I truly feel that after the playoff win against Minny, Mara, in some way, shape, or form, let Schoen know that he wanted to get a deal done to keep Jones. Some sort of compromise was made to give Schoen a reasonable out after the second year.

If Jones happens to lead this team to another playoff victory, Schoen will have a helluva time ditching Jones.

After five years, I've seen more than enough. Jones is not horrible. He's not a bust like Zach Wilson. But he's not gonna get you where you want to go either. His ceiling is maybe a 15 ranking. He can't go higher than that and if the Giants keep the status quo, there will be rookies that will be ranked higher than Jones after next year. And yes he says he had a stinger last year. And a torn ACL, which for him to even get to 100 percent will be October at the earliest. As a Giant fan, I hope for better. Simple as that.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 18, 2024, 02:19:13 PMTheir GM Wolfe said they were wide open either yesterday or today. Their issue is having zero talent anywhere really. So they need even more than the Giants need.

The Pats will be in a Bryce Young situation if they take a QB. Whoever he is, he will get battered. They have nothing.

The problem in all this is that you can't conveniently put pillars together in the order you might want. If you are drafting high and you need a QB but have weaknesses in the other categories do you pass on the QB, build up those pillars and hope (because that's all you got) that some year you'll find the QB to fit into that program.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 18, 2024, 09:45:04 AMAssuming Daniel Jones was being fully truthful when he said last season's neck injury was just a routine stinger, it would surprise me if the Giants treat 2024 as another prove-it year for Daniel Jones.

Pratt, from what I have seen, is more of a low-cost solid backup QB than a future franchise starting QB.  If Pratt develops the team can same some nice money by not having to sign expensive veteran backups.

True about Pratt but can you really think or believe at this point that Jones can be more than a game manager? His ceiling is a poor man's Ryan Tannehill. Do you think his slow processing will suddenly improve after five years? Injuries are just a part of his issues.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 18, 2024, 09:38:35 AMBrugler did a 7 round mock.  How would you feel about this whole for our boys in blue?


1 (6). Malik Nabers, WR, LSU
2 (47). Jaden Hicks, S, Washington State
3 (70). Trey Benson, RB, Florida State
4 (107). Michael Pratt, QB, Tulane
5 (166). Josh Newton, CB, TCU
6 (183). Justin Eboigbe, DL, Alabama

Okay, but unless Pratt turns out to be better than Davis Webb, the Giants still will need a quality QB going forward.

Quote from: TONKA56 on April 18, 2024, 08:29:15 AMReally? That's what you took away from what I said?

Explain

Quote from: TONKA56 on April 18, 2024, 05:39:29 AMLike say Daniel Jones for example.

Don't think the Giants gave up draft picks for Jones. And so I guess we can put Schoen in the same category as Gettleman after two years? I guess it will always be hopeless for the Giants in hiring GM's who can make 100 percent accurate draft picks. It's a risk business.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 17, 2024, 11:12:30 PMEvery highly drafted QB that turned out to be a bust had a team that did their homework and loved him.  Just sayin'. 

That's a reason not to do it. Okay?

Quote from: TONKA56 on April 17, 2024, 05:15:40 PMDo you think it's worth it to move up and take JJ or Maye if it costs next years' pick #1?

Absolutely if the GM is convinced the player can be a star at the position. The Giants did it with Eli. If they aren't proactive where does that leave them for the future? I would rather they get a QB at 6 but if they really love someone they need to go up and get, they should. The reward will exceed the risk of it works out. QB is that important and right now they need one.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 17, 2024, 04:59:26 PMIf the Giants want to move up their capital is significant more attractive than the Vikings. So if we want a guy we should be able to easily outbid the vikings.

I agree. Cardinals lose out in Harrison and Nabers if they deal with Vikings. I still see the Vikings taking Penix at 11 or 23 while also drafting a CB in the first round. Penix to me might turn out to be the best of them all though not the best for for the Giants.

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 17, 2024, 12:43:05 PMIt could happen that way.  IMO the earliest likely team to bust his mock draft would be the Cardinals.

I think the Patriots will take a QB (don't know who ) and Vikings will trade up (with whom is a burning question... could be any of the Chargers, Patriots and Giants... in that order of likelihood).

I'm surprised to see Odunze ranked below Nabers, but it's actually a good guess that Odunze goes to the Bears.

Bob

Poor Nabers, he is probably silently praying that the Chargers don't trade back and come to their senses and pick him to pair with Herbert, as opposed to the Giants who don't really have a quality QB. The Chargers can then find a decent OT in the second round. There are many good ones.

So many very good receivers available. They will impact teams with QBs in place like the Chargers and Cardinals, to name just two. The Giants might pick one, but the impact in 2024 will be minimal, sadly.

Quote from: WheresDayne on April 16, 2024, 04:08:58 PMI've said this since day 1:  Jones has all the tools, Height / Good Arm / Accuracy / Mobility / Smarts / Dedication / Toughness / Etc.  The one tool he is missing is Processing speed and that is one item that can be improved with time but will always be an issue.  This is why just looking at him and seeing his tools can get some people excited about his ceiling only to watch him bump his head pretty quickly   

That was obvious immediately and has not changed. Hard to teach that.

Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on April 12, 2024, 05:46:03 PMI don't know but from what I've read, I'm left with the impression that both Maye and McCarthy are equally polarizing. If Schoen and Co. take a QB at 6 (regardless of who) I would be excited for the future and pray to God they got the right guy

I agree. There is no other option other than prolonging QB hell.

Quote from: StompYouOT on April 15, 2024, 10:02:25 PMI wouldn't worry about it, everything I've heard points to The Giants being done with Jones.  Can they draft his replacement??  That is the tricky part, but I don't think anyone in that organization think Jones is the answer let alone a top tier QB.  And that's even before injuries.

I just don't know if there's a way forward right now since picking at 6 won't solve the problem and neither will 2025 from everything I heard.

Lets put it this way: we know what we (Giant fans) have currently can't be more than average but maybe, despite not a top three pick, the Giants will get lucky and find a QB at six or elsewhere that might strike gold. At least that gives us some hope. The status quo, even with a better line and receivers offers  very little hope when the most important position on the field is no better than mediocre.