Big Blue Huddle

When projecting the Draft I love how "deep" seems to mean automatically success in the NFL.  See Zach Wilson, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen.... as so-called depth in the position from college.

Quote from: Ed Vette on September 26, 2023, 12:24:40 PMI think a lot of Giants fans are thinking this game is a given. Geno Smith is a good QB and he has two lethal weapons. They are 4th in the league in scoring so far. Walker has been productive and will likely get his hundred yards while Charbonnet is lurking in the wings. And look who's leading the team in tackles.

Ed - to your point, they completely rebuilt their secondary and hit on both an early and very late draft pick to make their CBs lethal. 

Quote from: nicky1000 on September 26, 2023, 02:02:00 PMSorry. I do not typically get that aggressive but the anti DJ rhetoric is for another board (IMHO).  But I see your point; my apologies. As for the other poster who critiqued the argument for DJ because I felt the Dallas game was a throw away, the whole argument for each is subjective.

By the way, I am not in the Pro or Anti DJ camp, but squarely in the middle.  Just trying to figure out if there is something that might unlock a more effective passing game.  I continue to be frustrated that Dabs/Kafka are not rolling him out to buy time to make more deep throws while also giving him the option to run. 

All - I apologize as I made a critical mistake.  I inadvertently wrote down their first three preseason teams they played, not their first three regular season games.  Sorry.

Through 3 games:

CJ - 78/121 (64.5%) 906 yds, 4 TDs/0 INTs, 7.5 Y/A, 11.6 Y/C, Rate 98, Sacks 11, Sack % 8.3%

DJ - 63/97 (64.9%) 562 yds, 2 TDs/4 INTs 5.8 Y/A, 8.9 Y/C, Rate 70, Sacks 12, Sack % 11%

CJ's WRs - Nico Collins, Robert Woods, Tank Dell + TE Dalton Schultz

CJ's OL - Laremy Tunsil, Josh Jones, Michael Deiter, Shaq Mason, George Fant

CJ's RB - Dameon Pierce

Texans Offense Ranking - 13th (Yards)
Texans Defense Ranking - 16th (Yards)

1st year QB who is throwing for about the same completion % but a lot more yards and has been sacked about the same amount.  CJ's Y/A and Y/C is much higher.  When I look at the players on offense for the Texans, I hardly say, "wow, so much more talent around CJ than what DJ has."

Houston played New England, Miami and the New Orleans Saints.

So what are the reasons the Texans have better passing results through 3 games with a 1st year QB?

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 25, 2023, 03:14:25 PMand @DaveBrown74

while Neal had those videos of athletic feats, perhaps it distracted from the huge red flag that Neal didn't do a single test at the Combine or his Pro Day


https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Evan&l=Neal&i=30894

https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/story/sports/college/football/2022/03/06/alabama-football-evan-neal-nfl-combine-workouts/6954785001/#:~:text=He%20left%20without%20participating%20in,gradual%20trend%20at%20the%20combine.

Wonder if testing without an actual edge rusher would have unmasked the problems.

With Neal, I remember watching a 335 pound player do a squat jump and land like 3 higher on some mats and thought that a ridiculous explosiveness for someone so big.  I thought that would translate into lateral movement.  It has not as he looks slow laterally.  Also, he is getting bull rushed successfully by players 50 pounds lighter.  That should not be happening.  Is he just weak in core strength or is his technique to anchor down really bad?  Either is not good.  He has seemed very coachable and has taken to off-season coaching with Willie Anderson which shows maturity and dedication.  I hope Neal evolves into a good player because right now, my misread of Neal has me questioning everything in my life.  How could I be so wrong?

Quote from: jgrangers2 on September 25, 2023, 01:05:26 PMI had Achane on my bench as well. Obviously can't kick ourselves over that because who saw that coming from the Dolphins? I did have Davante Adams, which lessened the blow a bit of having a 50 point player on my bench.

Ha I had Achane on my bench.  I have Spears too but he is not getting carries.

I think a major problem was not playing the starters in preseason games and really preparing them.  Instead we got to see backups.  Come the Dallas game, the starters looked so bad.

All preseason we read about how good Waller is then when they practiced with the Lions, not so much.

Evan Neal is my biggest disappointment so far.  Maybe he becomes sooid by end of season but as of now he looks like Ereck Flowers.

I thought KT might be soft and had hoped others here would be right, but my observations are proving correct.  He dances on plays.  He plays with no power and explosiveness into players.

Their DL is playing like a bunch of kids.  Run defense is awful.

Play calling adjustments in kight of problems is not good. Stop with all 3 yard checkdowns and roll out DJ to try to throw deep.  Stop with all the same plays that are not working.

Quote from: TDToomer on September 24, 2023, 10:03:17 PMOuch because he was on your bench?

Yes.  Sorry I forgot to write that.  Still in a daz.  I had RB injuries and still benched him for Tyjae Spears instead.

All I know is I had Achane on my two fantasy teams and today he exploded for 51 points.  Ouch!!!

With his 18 carries for 203 yards, I think he has now played himself into the lineup more

In Kansas City's 42-0 win today, Kadarius Toney had 1 reception for -1 yards.  Wow.  He's a nobody there.

They were not good enough anywhere but I did not feel like the 49ers dominated (at least the way Dallas did).

I thought the 49ers played harder and with more passion but I was not boown away by how good they were.  Given how the Giants played, I am now revising my prediction for their record being 8–9 to 7-10 and maybe 6-11.  Why?

1) never expected Evan Neal to be this bad.

2) OL is far from playing well and cohesively.

3) Thibs is soft.  Think he has potential to be average at best.  I see no heart or aggressiveness.  Just dancing.

4) Saquon's year may be one of fighting recurring ankle problems.

5) the supposedly strong DL look horrible.  I see nobody there playing with fire.

6) I dont think DJ has any level of gunslinger's mentality.  He seems averse to taking chances.  All I see is a constant pattern of dump offs.

We are in a world of hurt now.

Quote from: kingm56 on September 22, 2023, 08:30:23 AMSimmons is not special; bad teams don't trade young 'special' players for a ham sandwich.  He's not going to magically become something hes never been by simply changing his helmet logo.  I like Hyatt, but he's a 3rd round pick...we don't know what he is/will be.

C Mack, Debo Samuel and Nick Bosa are special, Hyatt and Simmons are not; although, there's still plenty of time for the former to become special. The Giants problem continues to stem from the lack of dynamic players.   

It's a facts versus circumstances debate.  Sometimes a player simply is not producing results because of circumstances.  You can't draw conclusions just because of results.  A different environment, different scheme, different way a player is communicated to, may sometimes be the ingredients to produce a different result.