Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: BluesCruz on December 14, 2023, 09:12:31 AMTommy was #8 in the Heisman race in 2018. Had a teriffic last year at Illinois. He did not appear out of nowhere

I dont know why no one drafted him but hey- good thing for us

Yeah, none of this is true.  In 2018 DeVito started 4 games as a freshman at SU. He was not 8th in Heisman voting.  In 2019 he had 19 TDs and 5 INTs over 12 games.  SU was 5-7.  That was his best year.  And its pedestrian for college football in today's game. Again, not 8th in Heisman voting. In his Junior year SU went 1-10 and Devito was injured and mostly ineffective.  His senior year was more of same as Garret Scrader got most of the playing time to, I believe, an injury to Devito but not sure.  Again, SU was 5-7  Then at Illinois he averaged less than 200 yards passing per game with 15 TDs and 4 INTs over 13 games. That's 1 TD per game.  Illinois went 8-5.  Their best win was a 9-6 thriller against Iowa where Devito was benched.  Those are not "terrific" season stats.

Look, he is exceeding expectations now no doubt.  But he was not stellar in college and got overlooked.  He was average to slightly more than average in college.  None of his teams were especially good except maybe Illinois and even they weren't more than slightly above average.

If you want to extol DeVito's virtues you are more than allowed.  But to just make up your own facts ain't gonna fly.

**By the way, I know we have some SU fans on here (I am Notre Dame fan and Tulane grad so follow them too) so if I misstated or am mistaken about anything I wrote regarding SU football I apologize and please correct me!

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 25, 2023, 07:45:35 AMAnyone catch any of the Knicks game last night? Man, was that wild. They were up by one at halftime, and then they came out in the third quarter and proceeded to get absolutely mauled. At one point the third quarter scoreboard was 19-0 Heat. The Knicks then stabilized things a bit and got to where they were trading baskets, but they were still down 9 to 11 points late in the game. And then they managed to win. As you can imagine, the Garden was going nuts.

While I fully get that the Knicks are not championship caliber, I do like this team a lot. Randle is a guy I wish they had found a way to trade one of these years (I understand that's not easy with the contract he has), but Barrett, Quickley, and obviously Brunson were terrific last night, and guys like Hart, Hartenstein, and (at times) Grimes and DiVencenzo are all very nice role players.

If you could somehow add a top talent into this core group you'd have a serious contender.

Yup, great comeback.  They have all those draft picks to use to acquire a superstar but they have had this ammo for 2 years now and nothing yet.  Hopefully the prudence pays off and we get a KAT or Jaren Jackson, Jr.

To piggyback on what Dgoodmantrublue said DeVito also has no pocket presence.  He had time yesterday and didn't see field.  This was his problem at Syracuse (one read and run) and Illinois.

He can get all the reps we have and I don't think anything changes.  He is not an NFL caliber starter (or back-up, IMO)

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 30, 2023, 10:42:24 PMHe sidearms a lot of passes and although he's accurate, the velocity isn't what I'd like. I need a lot more film on this entire QB class.

Yes. I've seen all the scouts who like Williams and think he is generational but, personally, I like Maye better.

People need to remember that Peyton Manning lost big game after big game.  Tee Martin then won a NC the next year.  Josh Allen was big arm, not accurate. Phillip Rivers never won a big game in college and had "funky motion."  Drew Brees was too short.

Forget about wins and losses in college.  Forget that Williams looked bad against the 2 best Ds he faced.  College and pros are different - look at traits. Pocket presence (which is where Daniel Jones failed in college and in pros and why he was not worthy of 6th pick, IMO) is huge.  College games are system based.  Equal system, the more talented team always wins (Hello, Georgia). But really good systems with really good coaches change outcomes in college that is not same as in pros.

This is a really long way to say that JJ McCarthy is more Drew Henson than Tom Brady.

Whoa - JJ McCarty is a system QB.  He is not better than Maye or Williams.  McCarthy is Christian Ponder or Jake Locker.  Do Not Want

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 01, 2023, 09:28:20 PMI feel exactly as you do. I love the DiVincenzo pickup as we need a three point sharpshooter plus I like the Nova connection to Hart and Brunson. With that said I agree that just two 2s for Obi is a weak return. 2s in the NBA draft are like 5th or 6th rounders in the NFL. Obi never got the minutes with the Knicks, but I remember the final month of the 21/22 season when Randle was out and Obi had a starting role. He lit it up then. I think the Pacers made a great trade here.

Yup, I like DiVincenzo but feel this trade off hurts.  I like Toppin better than Randle in Playoff basketball.  Regular Season bball is Randle but playoff is Toppin, in my opinion