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just another example of trash Schoen being an awful GM. a 6th rounder?!?! Next year?!?! They might not even be around next year!!


This guy is worse than Gettleman. So similar to how poorly the Jets mismanaged the Zach Rodgers situation last year.

Yet another case for them 100% going QB in the draft. #DontDraftJJTheDunce

Quote from: T200 on March 15, 2024, 07:58:26 PMIs there a place I can put money down on this happening? I would put a substantial amount and cash in. 

if somehow he does play, i give him a game and a half MAX.

i thought y'all banned me 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 15, 2024, 07:13:37 PMLet's assume for a moment the Giants don't draft a QB. I'm not saying they won't, but for the sake of argument let's just suppose for a moment that they don't.

Assuming Jones is cleared by the doctors, which sounds likely to happen on schedule, I think it's all but nailed on that he starts week one.

What I'll say though, is I think Daboll will be much less tolerant of poor play by Jones now that he has seen other backup Giant QBs outperform him with the same supporting cast. So Lock may get a shot even if Jones doesn't get hurt. Jones could easily get benched for performance-related reasons this year.

because schoen is naturally selfish person.. i don't see this happening.
let's say Jones plays and in week 3 (1-2 or 0-3 start), Jones gets injured.

We are now SCREWED cap wise because of the injury clause HE put into his contract.

And will make it vERY easy to justify firing Schoen.

If Jones just does not play at all, Daboll is first one thrown under the bus, not Joey Schoeny

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 15, 2024, 03:29:27 PMIf we win three or four games, I will agree that Daboll will be gone. Not so sure about Schoen. I don't think so myself. GMs don't get fired for two bad seasons. Especially on this franchise. Gettleman had four before he was fired. And he seemed to be fired somewhat reluctantly by Mara and it was positioned as a retirement.

schoen has missed on nearly all his draft picks (kayvon was an easy pick) and last year flat out missed on EVERY free agent.

I personally think Daboll overachieved with the roster Schoen gave him. Obviously last year was a disaster, but even then he got production out of Tyrod and Tommy. Even with 3-4 wins IF they draft a QB I see it difficutlt to see Dabol lleaving.

But you are right regarding the historical precedent.

Quote from: ralphpal1 on March 14, 2024, 11:29:13 PMJones isnt the answer but we did make the playoffs and won a game with him
It makes zero sense to cut him
Also If we draft a QB
Isnt it better to learn from jones
Sit the QB for a year

please tell me what anyone could learn from Daniel Jones given what we saw from his game last year. He regressed, is unsure of himself, has no awareness of second reads, never reads and audibles what the defense gives him, and has no sense of how to protect himself as a QB.

this going to be so embarrassing by comparison, SAQUON I MISS YOU!!!

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 14, 2024, 10:27:28 PMHe will not be the player he was in 2018, because he isn't that player anymore. Injuries have taken their toll, and it's a young man's position.

He's still very good. No doubt about that. But he's not the same player he was in 2018. There is also no doubt about that.

True but never has he been in a better position.. would it surprise you to see him set career high's in TD's next season?

Quote from: JT39 on March 14, 2024, 10:00:55 PMYou cannot cut Jones until he passes a physical which probably won't be until late July or early August anyways.

Jones most likely stays the entire yet and will be gone after the 2024-2025 season.

As far as him being toxic? That's just made up nonsense from our resident Jones basher. If jones has exhibited anything is that he is a good teammate and has created absolutely no controversy off the field.

For those who have a better understanding of how locker rooms work, Jones the person would not be the issue, however his situation would 100% be a media distraction and TOXIC.

I won't bother to comment or debate further so I don't devolve into your way of manners and attacks.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on March 14, 2024, 09:57:21 PMFair enough, I do believe if we draft a QB this year it we be because of two things that could happen.


1-A QB falls out of the top 5 and we take him. (Williams, Maye or Daniels) I dont see us trading up.

2- A QB fall to us in the 2nd round (Bo Nix, Penix, McCarthy)


I really get the feeling the Giants are building the team bottom-up and next year will address the QB situation

i can see us trading the farm for Maye, if somehow Patriots dont want to i think we're sadly gettin gBo Nix. McCarthy is going in the first

I acutally dont mind Drew Locke that much

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 14, 2024, 09:48:43 PMJones is a bad, injury-prone QB who was somehow given way more money than he was ever worth for primarily emotional, highly speculative, but ultimately impossible to justify reasons.

Saquon is a highly talented RB who had a couple good years with the Giants but is not longer the player he once was, due to aging and injuries, and is now being overpaid by a rival.

I agree that they're definitely different.

I wouldn't say it's bc of aging (yes injuries) I'd say it's opportunity and fit for the team. His numbers will
Improve with Hurts and that offense. That I know.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on March 14, 2024, 09:51:02 PMEd...true, but in training camp, if the Giants see a better player (regardless of position) and Lock plays lights out, I could see a new starter. The NFL has many stories of this happening. Matt Flynn was to be the starter and a 3rd round pick Russel Wilson became the starter. Drew Bledsoe was "the man" and got hurt and some dude named tom Brady stepped in, at this point, anything is possible. But back to the OP...how is Jones guaranteed to be cut? It makes no financial sense.

guarantee was wrong word choice, but hearing Schoens pitch to Locke makes it far more likely. As mentioned the competition would be between Locke and the newly drafted qb.. it may be a 2nd rounder

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 14, 2024, 09:47:32 PMWhy don't you just ignore him? As long as he's here, he's entitled to his opinion.

If someone is throwing personal attacks my way I'd like to respond to them in kind however then I get labeled as someone who is "throwing insults"

Bullies and harassing people should not just be ignored . There is no block button?


You can have a different opinion than me about the giants, but constantly harassing ME as a person and poster is disrespectful and despicable

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 14, 2024, 09:34:46 PMAgain, as I told you only a couple of days ago, there's no way on planet earth they are cutting Daniel Jones. I think Jones is a bad Qb with poor processing but he will be on this team this year.

If we cut him this season then we trigger 70 million in dead cap and -22 million immediately to the cap. I just told you that 3 days ago and yet you intentionally ignore it in an attempt to upset people.

I think Jones is horrible but this is actually a fascinating conversation that everyone could be talking about because reports that are coming out that the Giants want to let him ride the bench ala Wilson because it messes us up if he can't pass a physical when the new league year starts in 2025.

We however cannot have that or any conversation about Drew lock because you creating a thread trying to trigger people only makes it impossible to follow up with an actual conversation or discussion.

You can dislike schoen, Jones, or whoever and not feel the need to spam it in every thread which you have done constantly the past week.

ok this is where you start to piss me off. You are the only one who CONSTANTLY brings personal attacks my way out of the 20+ posters I've interacted with. Enough of it I'm sick of it.

You are not a mind reader nor the head of this board and yet you act like you are. Just bc you dislike my way of communicating does not give you the right or privilege to decide how one can talk. You are a bad example of what a giants fan should be attacking anything in your sight


Admin and mods where is the block button? All this poster does is constantly attack ME personally while the rest of us are trying to have a discussion

This is now the 2nd time I have told this specific poster and ONLY this poster to stop harassing me and yet they continue to do so.

I just want to discuss the giants!!! Enough of this xxxxxxxx

Quote from: Gmo11 on March 14, 2024, 09:34:36 PMIt's something like a 70 million dollar cap hit if they cut him this season.  Even split it is insane to cut him this season.  It would be cheaper to keep him and not play him.  Next season it's closer to 30 and they will do it then.

while that is an insane number, having jones just stick around can be toxic for the team and locker room given the NY media. I'd prefer we cut him.