Big Blue Huddle

The 49ers, Chiefs and Ravens are well run organizations. The Giants are a poorly run organization. Big difference.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 25, 2024, 03:18:51 PMI'm pretty sure that when your team ranks dead last in the league at supporting cast, the ship is not right.

They literally followed your advice two years ago and it's been a disaster for Schoen. You really think he would bet his job on passing on a potential franchise QB at this point because of a PFF article? Wait two years to have a shot at being competitive? No thanks.

They spent the last two years righting the ship. It didn't work. If you can get one of the big-3 QBs, you go and get the QB.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 23, 2024, 02:25:41 PMYou can't just reverse decades of policy of having coaches naming the captains instead of the players just because you don't like it. 

But we are all in agreement that 10 captains (18.87% of the 53 man roster) is absurd. I did a little research and from 2007 - 2016 3 teams had 5, The 2008, 2013 & 2014 teams. The rest had 3. Sometime after 2017 it increased to the current 10. Was it was a Gettleman thing or Schoen?

There is no decades of policy. The process for selecting team captains is decided by the head coach each year.

I agree having all these captains is ridiculous. The Giants have struggled with a lack of leadership for years. Remember the year Jerry Reese drafted only team captains in order to address the issue? Now they're making everyone and their brother a captain to try to manufacture leadership. These are not smart ways to go about developing leadership. Shortcuts and gimmicks don't work.

Here's a recent tweet from Darius Slayton defending Daniel Jones from being compared to Pat Mahomes.

https://twitter.com/Young_Slay2/status/1749536227357843503?t=OT3Hm-djTyXpoBQjDu5WMA&s=19

Slayton has good intentions with his tweet but his choice of words is revealing. He's offering excuses to justify poor play. The entire Giants organization has been infected with this disease of excuse making for years and it starts at the top. This is not how you learn how to compete and win.

What Slayton and others should be saying is: Pat Mahomes is the gold standard. We, as a team, understand we aren't good enough and that it's up to the people in this room to get better and build a foundation that will allow us to compete with guys like Mahomes. We aren't satisfied with where we are today. It isn't good enough. We have our work cut out for us, but I believe we're up for the challenge.

On the plus side, Waller is now making music, so we have an in house replacement for Yung Joka.

https://twitter.com/SNYGiants/status/1748432843326267844?t=PfdxxnLvZRd2d3X85MXYRw&s=19

Quote from: Philosophers on January 21, 2024, 09:22:42 AMI hold out hope he will improve but it is not a given certainly not after what has happened with Neal.

I agree. I actually expect JMS to make a big jump in year 2. It's not a given but my expectation is he will at least be an average center and the question is how much better than average he can develop into. Linderbaum is special. I don't expect JMS to be that good but time will tell.

Apparently this is the point of view of a not insignificant part of the Giants fan base:

Poor OBJ. He could've kept his mouth shut and been a leader of the Giants 29-53 record over the last 5 seasons. Instead he plays on good teams and competes for championships as a role player. What a bitter loser. He's old news. He could've been part of our double digit loss culture. Instead he spoke out because he was so selfish he just wanted to win. Too bad for him.

Linderbaum finished his rookie season with a 74.7 grade. JMS finished with a 41.4 grade. That's a lot of ground to make up.

Quote from: Painter on January 20, 2024, 08:37:10 PMCheerlead for OBJ all you like. That doesn't alter the fact that he's a whiney punk who can't handle the fact that he has been no more than ordinary or even less ever since the Giants ditched him. His Rams TD not withstanding

He is not who he thinks he is, not when he's averaged 33 receptions over the past 3 seasons which is much less than half of what he had with the Browns in 2019 or with the Giants the year before when they decided he wasn't worth the aggravation. Of course, now that he's with a contender, I suppose it could all change as he did catch 1 of the 22 passes the Ravens felt a need to throw today.

Cheers!

If your focus is on the individual, what you say has merit. If you focus on the team, OBJ's career has been lightyears ahead of the Giants since 2019. It's the Giants and parts of their fan base, not OBJ, who come across as whiney and not who they think they are. OBJ has earned around 20 million over his last 2 seasons and has a shot at his second Super Bowl in his last two years. Short of the individual stats, he's doing everything any kid dreams of doing in the NFL. What else should he be doing to earn the approval of an organization that wasted his talent and after a decade of futility still can't get out of it's own way.

At the end of the day Gettleman had to retire in disgrace. Meanwhile, OBJ has collected $100 million, has a championship ring, and is competing for a second ring. He's no longer an alpha dog on offense but when he retires he can be proud of what he accomplished on the field and he's achieved generational wealth. I don't see the problem.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 15, 2024, 07:17:22 AMNot only did he miss receivers, but those two pick-sixes were killer

Then he padded his stats in garbage time. People will look back at his stats in the future and think he played okay when in reality he was terrible when it mattered.

I think they're stuck with Dak for one more season. They need a new coaching staff either way.

I voted for the second option. The defense deserves just as much blame, but you don't get rid of talented players on D because of playoff failures. You keep adding talent to your core and address the coaching.

Dak is going to drop to 2-5 in the playoffs. Only Alex Smith and Billy Kilmer have that many losses with 2 or fewer wins.

At what point does Dallas close out the Dak Prescott era?

Didn't know that about Carl Weathers. Three more NFL greats who were iconic actors when I was growing up: Alex Karras, Bubba Smith, and, OJ Simpson.