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Not just the 1st Dallas game but the Seattle game and Detriot game as well.

We were bottom 1/3 passing in yards, avg, yds/G, and TDs. Teams like the Steelers, Houston, detriot, Washington, Jets, etc beat us In those categories. Besides Jones being efficient which I'm sure that Daboll can make most others efficient what's the draw? What does Jones offer that we can't get from a Brissett, Tyrod, or placeholder? I genuinely would like to know because if Daboll/Kafka can do what we saw them do with Jones this season, aren't they the secret recipe and not Jones? Just because Daboll/Kafka worked a miracle now this kid is worth 40 million. I just want to know what the secret sauce is, what does Jones have that makes him worth 40 million because I don't see it.

Before the season @DaveBrown74 made an amazing point, Jones has a tendency to have 3 games a season were we are like wow he might be decent and then the rest of the games he's back to being ok. It literally happened again, Jones showed out for a dysfunctional Colts team, and a bad Vikings team and had everyone forgetting about the past 3 seasons. Just like the year before in the superdome against the saints.

I get some people love him and they are welcome to, but I just don't see it, instead I just think Daboll/Kafka did a masterclass on hiding flaws this season.

I think Tyrod could have easily come close to the 3200 15 and 5. Even if it was 2,900 12 and 7 your still paying 5 million as opposed to 40 million... Is 300 yards and 3 Tds really worth the 35 million extra? That's weere the disconnect is for me because for most of the season Jones averaged less than 200 yards a game and I just can't see that number regardless of who is on the field with him and think yeah, we should definitely give this guy 40 million. We won one game in our division and the Eagles aren't going anywhere, neither are the cowboys, and at some point Washington will find a QB. I just think we are a lot farther off then really all 3 of the other teams in our division.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 23, 2023, 11:23:18 AMHere's something to think over. Webb had a better game than Jones against the same team with backups. Can Webb and TT hold down the fort? Can the Giants produce a solid run game without SB? Webb, Breida and Brightwell had 129 yards rushing.

I still believe Daboll's decision to sit his starters in week 18 ultimately hurt his team's progress but it's interesting how comparisons can be made from it. Very interesting.

I know most won't like it but I'd prefer them go into the season with Webb, TT, and maybe a Brissett or whoever you can sign as competition and then let Barkley go or tag him for a year and draft a RB with the extra 3rd. I think it's the only way we can build a functional team. If we retain Jones and Barkley we'll be a fringe 8-9 win team every season and won't be able to actually building a long term roster. Think of the powerhouse teams right now, they either already had the team built and got their QB or had a QB on a rookie deal as they built the team.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 23, 2023, 11:20:11 AMI like the idea in concept, but you can't trade a guy that's not under contract.  Much as I love Jones the player, recent events show that the roster still has to be rebuilt almost from top to bottom, and I just don't see them being able to do that if they are paying Jones 35-40 million or more.  Nor paying Barkley 12-14 million.

I agree earlier in the thread I had mentioned tag and trade and was expanding on that but you're right. I just don't know how you can build a team paying both of them.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2023/01/22/2022-nfl-playoffs-daniel-jones-brian-daboll-giants-eagles/

Article on this writers perception of Jones post Eagles game.

Quote from: T200 on January 23, 2023, 10:34:41 AMYou're spot on here. However, the village Ed is referring to still needs better 'villagers' as we witnessed Saturday night.

The other franchise QBs have better protection up front and a #1 WR. Jones still needs those.

or we could be like the 49ers and build a proper team from the inside out and have an offensive wizard for A HC then it doesn't matter who your QB is.

Hypothetical:

If you could get the 4th overall pick plus some conditional picks for Jones would you trade him?

Because a ton of teams need a QB and someone has to he willing to trade a significant sum, so why wouldn't we do that to propel our rebuild and then have faith in Daboll/Kafka to find a replacement to produce a similar stat line.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 23, 2023, 10:12:19 AMIt wasn't Jones' fault they lost the game but he didn't play well in a do or die game and he lost some luster. The after game look on Daboll's face and his immediate comments had reality written all over it.

For Jones it will take a village...

This was my trepidation with him two years ago. He's worked hard and Daboll has masked some of his shortcomings but I see a lot of Dak Prescott in DJ.

I don't see them mortgaging the future for his services.

This. I just can't see a path to 40 million that makes anyone comfortable.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on January 22, 2023, 11:38:47 PMYeah, in 1923 it leads up to great expense and then...wait...have to wait until February for the next episode 

Just started Mayor of Kingstown. Not as gripping as 1923, but I can tell I will stick with it. Jeremy Renner (star of Mayor of Kingstown) had quite the accident. He lives in the rural mountains of Nevada when he's not in Hollywood and helps out his small town by being a firefighter and snow plow driver and anything else he can do to help the town. A couple weeks ago he got ran over by a Piston Bully snow groomer and broke over 60 bones and has been in critical condition for a couple weeks. They figure he's got about 6 months of retraction in a hospital before he can go home and will need months of rehab to walk again. A friend of mine got ran over by a Piston Bully and they barely saved his life having to air lift him to Upstate Medical Center where he was touch and go for several days. He was lucky there were a half dozen men around to jump into emergency mode and saved his life

A Piston Bully weighs over 8 tons and has 5 ft wide tracks with horizontal steel blades every six inches or so. The only thing that could have saved him was he was pushed down in snow and not on hard pan or pavement or it would have cut him into six inch pieces




a Piston Bully

Yeah he does a lot of work for the film studio that I work for. He is genuinely a good guy, and give Mayor of Kingstown 5 episodes to start getting really good, it doesn't suck you in immediately like Yellowstone and Tulsa king.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 05, 2023, 06:29:42 PMI have to say, my wife and I are absolutely loving "1923." I recommend it wholeheartedly. Great prequel to "Yellowstone." Great acting, very good writing, stunning cinematography, and tense, interesting plot lines. And needless to say, no shortage of action and violence. Just an all around great show. I think it's 10 times better than this most recent season of "Yellowstone." I'm guessing Sheridan has Yellowstone on autopilot now an devoted more of his recent energy to 1923. Either way it's a top notch show from my perspective.

The only thing I hate is they took a break after 4 episodes.

Every one of Sheridans shows are a masterclass.

Yellowstone
Tulsa king
Mayor of Kingstown
1923

All four are my favorite things on TV this past year.

Mayor of Kingstown should be getting the praise Tulsa king and Yellowstone get.

Per BigBlueView:

Jones said he "didn't think there was much truth" to recent reports that he and the Giants were close to an extension that would keep him with the Giants. He would only say that he has had "positive" conversations with GM Joe Schoen and head coach Brian Daboll.

Jones did admit "I've got a good sense" of what top quarterbacks around the league are making.

Quote from: Rambo89 on January 22, 2023, 11:55:24 AMI never thought I would say this but I think the Giants best bet is to franchise Daniel Jones ride out the 2023 season and take it from there.  I would not sign him to an extension.

I wouldn't be opposed to a tag and trade. If Darnold can get the Jets a 2nd and a 5th then Jones can get us something better.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 22, 2023, 12:10:13 PMI suspect the comments are a bit tied to the position each man finds himself in.  If I were the agent of either of these young men I would have advised them to say what they did.

I think that it would have come down a little better had he not just put up his worst performance of the year.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 22, 2023, 10:38:05 AMI am not sure what Jones said that was objectionable.  I mean the Giants didn't exactly treat him well, and the same can be said of a portion of the fanbase


On what the future looks like and how much does he want to remain a New York Giant:

Jones: "I think we will get into that down the road. At this point, this is still very fresh. This season. This loss. It will take some time to regroup and think through that going forward."

On what the future of this team looks like after what they accomplished this year:

Jones: "I think the future of the team is bright. We have a lot of young core guys that made a lot of plays and stepped up and have been huge all year. There is certainly a bright future here."

On what he thinks he proved this year:

Jones: "I don't know what I proved. I think I improved every week. I thought I was consistent throughout the year. There are certainly things I like to have back, especially tonight. I think there are some things I'll go back and look to clean up and improve and grow as a player going forward. I thought overall, I did do that. I grew and improved throughout the year and I will continue to try and do that."

On clarifying whether his offseason goal is to stay with the New York Giants:

Jones: "Like I said, we will cross that bridge when we get there. I really enjoyed playing here. I appreciate all of those guys in the locker room. It is a special group of guys and I have really enjoyed being a part of it. We will figure out where that goes, but I have nothing but love and respect for this organization and the group of guys in the locker room."

Its not so much that he said one thing or another but he was very neutral and treated it like a business decision whereas Barkley did a 180 and went with his heart and said how much he wants to be a giant for life. So when you hear both back to back one gives you the vibe they want to be back no matter what and the other doesn't care if they are back. Not saying it's right but I think most ppl had hoped the Qb had saquans response but in reality he owes them nothing and hopefully he tests the free agent market and gets as much as he can for himself.