Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: T200 on February 07, 2023, 07:59:48 AMThe wife and I started watching 'Your Honor' with Bryan Cranston. It's about a judge who gets caught in a predicament involving his only son and an untenable web is weaved, much of his own doing, that he must navigate. The second season is showing now on Showtime (and I believe Paramount+).

It has some Ozark feel too it but not as good, but still entertaining.

Man I'm really into it as there isn't much playing right now. If you like it and Ozarks try the Mayor of Kingstown with Jeremy Renner and Tulsa King, both by Taylor Sheridan the guy that does Yellowstone but both are excellent.

Quote from: Philosophers on February 04, 2023, 03:59:07 PMHe ran the 60 meters out of starting blocks like track sprinters do which is not apples to apples.  I like him a lot as well but want to point that put as you simply cannot adjust the time as you did.

Anyone really caught your attention yet in the fringe 1st/2nd round. If I remember correctly I think you're high on Sewell as I am but didn't know if you had seen anyone else yet that caught your attention?

Trask had a cannon in college. It was the year we drafted Toney, their offense was lethal at Florida but I distinctly remember Trasks arm strength it was legit.

Watching tape on the practices the CBs really stood out as did some of the WRs and LBs. Couple of players that really caught my attention.

The Corners-

Juilus Brents the corner from Kansas St is huge like 6'3 200lbs but he makes it work really well with his movement.

Stevenson and Rush were the two big name guys but Brent and Keidron Smith from Kentucky both did really good things and you can't coach size in Brents case.

The Wide Receivers-

I've been huge on Johnathan Mingo from Ole Miss all season, he's not a burner but you can play him outside, inside, or hybrid TE and he just dominants if he has someone getting him the ball.

The two guys that flashed at the senior bowl practice though were Micheal Wilson from Stanford and Tank Dell from Houston. Dell is the speedy burner that no one could really keep up with all week and Wilson reminds me of Hodgins he just runs a beautiful route and catches almost everything his way but he can't stay healthy.

The Linebackers-

Will Mcdonald from Iowa St flashed as an all around talent. He's a little small but had a good all around week.

Henley the Washington St linebacker is another that had a good all around week, look for both those guys to be rd 2/3 picks, specifically Mcdonald who has serious pass rush upside.

Ivan Pace Jr from Cincy and Forksey from Notre Dame keep ascending but Henley and Mcdonald stood out as legitimate Linebackers we can get day 2.

I don't think Schoen and Daboll are dumb, they have to have seen what signing a nonelite QB to a longterm deal has done to every franchise that has done it.


Here's praying for a tag and trade.

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on January 24, 2023, 04:20:16 PM16th in passing yards

48th!!!!!! in yards per attempt (ok this number factors all passes thrown, but still)

28th in Completion % (see above)

21 in Passing TDs

5th in QB Rush TDs

4th in QB rushing yds

31 in QB Rating


He can run it, but as far as passing in concerned, he is average at best.

was going through some of the scouting notes on him as a passer and one was spot on with his assessment in my opinion and this was about him coming out of college and I still think it is spot on.

"Inconsistent. Rhythm player too easily knocked off rhythm. Prone to questionable decision making in the pocket, including forcing throws into traffic and failing to prioritize ball security. Underdeveloped as a big play, clutch operator. Sub-optimal arm strength, although again it's more than adequate enough to make the full array of NFL throws. Can hold the ball in the pocket too long and has not yet developed instincts for the proper time to break the pocket and scramble. Picturesque overall mechanics can be severely compromised by pressure. Often plays blind to edge rushers and underneath zone defenders. Surprising amount of batted balls for a player of his size and experience".

From TD Scouting

After year 4 that's him in a nut shell from a con perspective though hes minimizedthe turnovers.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 24, 2023, 03:31:16 PMMighty,

I never like to embarrass or humiliate anyone, as I do think everyone deserves respect, but these two videos you posted could not have been more perfectly timed.

Nicely done!

Not to state the obvious but if Jones had an arsenal of tools including a pump fake there wouldn't be discussions over him being retained. If he had all the tools he would be an elite Qb but he doesn't and isn't. While he might flash occasionally any time something isn't perfect he reverts right back to every single one of his bad habits and there are a lot which were on full display this weekend. So him pump faking it 2 times is great, but do you see him use it regularly I don't? I think a lot of that has to do with him not throwing beyond 10 yards regularly but we saw 2 videos so it has to be in his arsenal....

Quote from: T200 on January 24, 2023, 02:36:03 PMThis is where I feel the coaching was lacking; either from Daboll, Kafka and/or the QB coach. They saw the DBs were aggressive and jumping routes... call for some pump fakes, double moves and take advantage of their aggressiveness.

I'd like to see him develop a little shoulder pump... it doesn't take much for a DB to bite on a QB's movements.

I don't think that Jones has a pump fake or anything like that in his arsenal.

Not just the 1st Dallas game but the Seattle game and Detriot game as well.

We were bottom 1/3 passing in yards, avg, yds/G, and TDs. Teams like the Steelers, Houston, detriot, Washington, Jets, etc beat us In those categories. Besides Jones being efficient which I'm sure that Daboll can make most others efficient what's the draw? What does Jones offer that we can't get from a Brissett, Tyrod, or placeholder? I genuinely would like to know because if Daboll/Kafka can do what we saw them do with Jones this season, aren't they the secret recipe and not Jones? Just because Daboll/Kafka worked a miracle now this kid is worth 40 million. I just want to know what the secret sauce is, what does Jones have that makes him worth 40 million because I don't see it.

Before the season @DaveBrown74 made an amazing point, Jones has a tendency to have 3 games a season were we are like wow he might be decent and then the rest of the games he's back to being ok. It literally happened again, Jones showed out for a dysfunctional Colts team, and a bad Vikings team and had everyone forgetting about the past 3 seasons. Just like the year before in the superdome against the saints.

I get some people love him and they are welcome to, but I just don't see it, instead I just think Daboll/Kafka did a masterclass on hiding flaws this season.

I think Tyrod could have easily come close to the 3200 15 and 5. Even if it was 2,900 12 and 7 your still paying 5 million as opposed to 40 million... Is 300 yards and 3 Tds really worth the 35 million extra? That's weere the disconnect is for me because for most of the season Jones averaged less than 200 yards a game and I just can't see that number regardless of who is on the field with him and think yeah, we should definitely give this guy 40 million. We won one game in our division and the Eagles aren't going anywhere, neither are the cowboys, and at some point Washington will find a QB. I just think we are a lot farther off then really all 3 of the other teams in our division.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 23, 2023, 11:23:18 AMHere's something to think over. Webb had a better game than Jones against the same team with backups. Can Webb and TT hold down the fort? Can the Giants produce a solid run game without SB? Webb, Breida and Brightwell had 129 yards rushing.

I still believe Daboll's decision to sit his starters in week 18 ultimately hurt his team's progress but it's interesting how comparisons can be made from it. Very interesting.

I know most won't like it but I'd prefer them go into the season with Webb, TT, and maybe a Brissett or whoever you can sign as competition and then let Barkley go or tag him for a year and draft a RB with the extra 3rd. I think it's the only way we can build a functional team. If we retain Jones and Barkley we'll be a fringe 8-9 win team every season and won't be able to actually building a long term roster. Think of the powerhouse teams right now, they either already had the team built and got their QB or had a QB on a rookie deal as they built the team.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 23, 2023, 11:20:11 AMI like the idea in concept, but you can't trade a guy that's not under contract.  Much as I love Jones the player, recent events show that the roster still has to be rebuilt almost from top to bottom, and I just don't see them being able to do that if they are paying Jones 35-40 million or more.  Nor paying Barkley 12-14 million.

I agree earlier in the thread I had mentioned tag and trade and was expanding on that but you're right. I just don't know how you can build a team paying both of them.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2023/01/22/2022-nfl-playoffs-daniel-jones-brian-daboll-giants-eagles/

Article on this writers perception of Jones post Eagles game.

Quote from: T200 on January 23, 2023, 10:34:41 AMYou're spot on here. However, the village Ed is referring to still needs better 'villagers' as we witnessed Saturday night.

The other franchise QBs have better protection up front and a #1 WR. Jones still needs those.

or we could be like the 49ers and build a proper team from the inside out and have an offensive wizard for A HC then it doesn't matter who your QB is.