Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 03, 2023, 11:05:27 AMhttps://x.com/_willnyr_/status/1709056244567200167?s=20

Jones does this far too often and teams know it.  This is why Daboll ripped into him.

Some have pointed out his locking onto receivers and it gets largely ignored. This shows it clear as day.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 10:27:20 AMThe Giants have been bad since 2012.  How exactly is "Jones" (drafted in 2019) a "constant"?

Despite most of my focus being on Barnes, you chose to ignore that and just go on the prowl over the golden boy, seriously?

He is on his 3rd HC, 3rd OC, 2nd GM, he has been here 5 years, he is absolutely a constant, sure some of the issues go further back, that is where Barnes comes in, this team year in and year our constantly has encountered a litany of injuries.

They need to move on and upgrade both of those guys, get a real OL coach too. No reason they have invested so much in this line and it still sucks. Two 1s, a 2 and 3, and several later picks, some of these guys may be busts, but how much of it is OL coaching?

There are two constants in this cycle, Barnes and Jones. Barnes still being employed is inexcusable at this point.

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 03, 2023, 09:53:30 AMI actually think he thought he could transform Jones into a Josh Allen.

I believe this to be true. Or at least something resembling it.

I think they had no better options at QB and it was worth the gamble, afterall they won a playoff game with him,  but they made the contract in a way to protect them and the team if it didnt work out, its not at that point yet but it doesn't look encouraging, but I am sure they know all the options, and have a plan based on the results of this entire season as to which option to take, including potentially continue to build wiht DJ.

Quote from: Gmo11 on October 03, 2023, 09:39:13 AMDid winning last season, including a playoff game, do more harm than good?

At the time I didn't think so, assuming that the front office/team would understand that the team wasn't as good as their record indicated and would plan accordingly.  I think now that it may well have hurt the team to win all those flukey games. 

Because without those wins, Jones is gone as was originally the plan when they didn't pick up his 5th year. Beyond that, the Giants would be committed to the rebuild.  They would likely not have traded picks for pieces (even if I still think the Waller trade was too good to pass up) and we could be targeting next season for the turnaround as they should have been all along.

Imagine a world where Tyrod Taylor is starting, the team is just as bad as it is now, only they are planning building and preparing a team for a rookie QB coming in to start 2024.  Which would then open a 5 year window where the QB is cheap and that money can be spent on....well...everything else because the team needs everything right now.

Time for Schoen and company to take a good hard look at this team and adjust plans accordingly.  The fire sale should start immediately.  Everybody but Thomas and the guys they drafted the last two years, should be made available.  Including Daniel Jones if you can find a team willing to take him.  Collect as many picks as you possibly can and try like hell to put yourself in a position to draft a new QB.

Extremely fair and well thought out post/assessment, I agree with the bulk of it, last year was fools gold and they fell for it. I still have faith in JS and Dabs, and I believe they have a plan B, and will do what they need to do.

https://www.nfl.com/news/head-coach-brian-daboll-on-giants-latest-blowout-loss-i-d-be-upset-too-if-i-was-

For the third time in four games, the New York Giants were lambasted by a superior opponent on national television.

Monday night's 24-3 shellacking at the hands of the Seattle Seahawks at MetLife Stadium was a cacophony of Big Blue sadness. The offense gave up 11 sacks, and Daniel Jones turned it over thrice. The defense whiffed on crucial tackles. The special teams earned a laughable six penalties.

In four games, the Giants have played two solid quarters. The other 14 have been abysmal. New York has been outscored 77-9 in first halves this season with zero touchdowns. In two home games -- both in primetime -- Giants fans have watched their club get outscored 64-3.

"I'd be upset too if I was a fan," head coach Brian Daboll said after the game, via the official transcript. "There's a lot of things we've got to do better, and that's what we'll try to do."

Oh, they're upset, Brian.

It's not just that the losses mount. It's the unhinged, deplorable nature of said defeats that have Giants fans waking up in a brew of rage, sadness, and bewilderment.

The Giants paid Jones $40 million annually and have seen a negative return thus far. It's fair to point out that the blocking has been atrocious and that few could navigate having to make plays with .025 seconds to think. Yet, even when Jones did have time, he rarely hit his target, fled from some clean pockets out of fear anticipation, and his three turnovers were of the ghastly variety.

"I mean obviously I didn't play well enough," Jones said. "It was unacceptable and I let the team down, so I've got to fix it. I've got to work hard to get it right and I'm going to do that."

$40 million quarterbacks are supposed to raise the boats around them, not sink alongside the dead weight.[/u] Through four weeks, out of 34 qualified QBs in the NFL, Jones ranks 26th in pass yards per game (191.3), 33rd in passer rating (69.7), 33rd in times sacked (22), and 34th in TD-INT ratio (2-6).

Monday night's early fumble harkened back to Jones' early-career fumbling issues, and his pick-six, which killed any thought of a comeback, was a piss-poor decision and throw.

"My play wasn't good enough. I know that, and that's what I'm focused on," Jones reiterated.

I still think DJ is a solid QB, issue is, everything around him needs to go well for him to do well. Even then it's inconsistent

Last year we overachieved, against bad teams in a weaker NFC and a easy schedule. It was fools good and we were then overrated headed into the offseason. That is an error on Schoen and Dabs end

I still think that they are a great coach and GM, you don't win coach of the year flukefully, they made a mistake and I am sure they realize that and will do what needs to be done to correct it. There is a reason they designed an out on DJs contract. They had a plan B, and their hand was forced in any scenario there wasn't a good option for them better than Jones this year

I think DJs play is hurting the offense more than people think. Losing Barkley, AT and the bad OL hurt too. DJ is not the only issue here, OL still needs work. They need a #1 guy aside from Waller, Wandale, Hyatt and Hodgins are good 2s/3s, but they do need a top dog in that group, and they need a QB that will elevate them all and take the team to the next level. DJ won't succeed even if they find that guy, whereas a legit great QB would be able to win with this group.

Finding those guys are easier said than done, if they are in position they will need to make sure they get it right.

They need to be at least given a chance to pick their own QB and have 2 seasons with that QB playing before we talk losing jobs.

Ugh

Not his fault 

Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 10:13:11 PMYeah, let's hire a 4th coach in 5 years and hope they can produce a different result with this same core.

Herbert is on his third OC, he has been fine with each.

Why does Lock look better than Jones tonight?

Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 09:23:22 PMCampbell needs to sit. He brings nothing, just like his jersey number.

Damn, I agree that gave me a goid laugh

Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 08:57:38 PMYeah no credit to Metcalf lol.

You two are one trick ponies... haha

It's also nice when defenders don't get free reign either right?

Giants WR never get credit when they do good or make plays its always great job Jones, why woukd that not go both ways?

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Ball security has to be better Jones

Robinson I believe had torn his ACL against the Seahawks when he had 100yds, he probably has a big chip on his shoulder.