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Show posts MenuQuote from: Jolly Blue Giant on December 22, 2023, 07:25:08 PMThanks (the other) Steve. I've isolated myself from my mother and have my daughter and older brother looking after her. I'm holed up with nothing to do but play on the computer, binge-watch TV, and lay in the jacuzziVitamin D, up to 4000 a day.
Quote from: TONKA56 on December 22, 2023, 02:18:50 PMWay off topic, but in hindsight and in light the video we discussed recently, it was probably a bad move to dismiss Pat Flaherty to begin with.Pat has excellent but I think he's retired. What did you think of Colombo?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 22, 2023, 12:34:08 PMNot to throw fuel on the fire but analytically Slayton was a top 15 Wr last year. He was easily top 15 in every metric above replacement. So while the actual production isn't there, because our Qbs are absolutely horrible, our Wrs weren't the issue last year and likely aren't this year. Wandale, Hodgins, Slayton, and our other slot wr last year all ranked really well above replacement. It's why the Jones doesn't have weapons theory that floated around last season was so baffling, Jones has weapons, he just couldn't ever get it to them.I'm concerned for Hyatt. He may wind up burning some years here.
I remember @Ed Vette and I brought it up several times last year and he even provided the graphs/stats showing that our Wrs were doing really well and that they weren't the issue.
If we had an actual Qb Slayton easily goes for a 1,000 + and Hyatt is ROTY talks, while Wandale would have had a really nice comeback story.
Quote from: TONKA56 on December 22, 2023, 09:06:05 AMIf the Giants want to move on from Barkley they should have already made preparations to do so. I don't understand this team's approach to the running back position in the slightest.He may want to move on from the Giants. They may come to an agreement. I don't know how that would work but he hinted.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 22, 2023, 09:07:01 AMIt's quite comical to see someone say Slayton is a consistent 1,500-yard WR with a better QB and then have them call other people's opinions nuts. LOLIt is, isn't it.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 22, 2023, 07:14:48 AMBarkley is a disappointment relative to his draft status mainly due to his injuries. It is also a highly questionable move to take a RB second overall (questionable is a friendly way of putting how I feel), given the lack of positional value.Slayton had 23% of the passing yards last season on 15% of the targets. The top QBs in the league throw for 4500-5000 yards. As the X Receiver, Slayton hasn't been targeted on all those short passes in that quick game with a Run based Offense and a QB with less than 2 seconds to throw on almost 50% of his snaps.
As a raw, pure talent in the absolute sense, Barkley is better than Slayton. Barkley prior to all his injuries was a top three RB in the league. Slayton is not a top 20 receiver in the league. I'm talking raw talent relative to peers, not the actual outcome.
Unlike Slayton, Barkley has performed at an elite level on this team with a terrible offensive line, terrible play caller, and terrible QB play and offense around him. He didn't need everything to be perfect around him to perform. See his 2018 season. Slayton is not capable of performing at that type of level. If you stuck on him on the Dolphins or some elite offense would his numbers better? Of course they would. Nobody would argue otherwise. But the point is that he needs to be in a great situation for his numbers to be much better. Barkley, at least prior to all his injuries, does not. In fact, Barkley last year was much better (again relative to his peers around the league) than Slayton was in the same offense.
I've been very vocal for a while now that I don't want to re-sign Barkley. It is an economically sound move in my view, and I don't like his durability nor do I like the short shelf-life of the position. (insofar as paying up to have a 27/28 year old for a couple years with a guarantee). But that doesn't mean I don't think he has talent. He clearly does. It has deteriorated somewhat with all the injuries and mileage, but we have seen him do it.