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Quote from: T200 on January 15, 2023, 09:02:36 PMHe should have said, "I apologize. I should have said, 'He played *well*' instead of 'played good' for all the grammar police out there."     

I just thought it was funny because Daboll didn't understand what he did wrong and the reporter was waiting for some awe inspiring comments and Daboll was like oh he played good lol.

Lol the NY media getting upset because Daboll said Jones played good. The reporter was like just good? Daboll was like isn't good, good? And the reporter was kinda dumbfounded.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 14, 2023, 09:50:22 AMHow do you look at a quarterback's entire career?   Take, for example, Josh Allen.  His first two years were very ordinary and his next two were elite.  How did you factor in those first two seasons when you evaluated Allen after his 4th season?

Josh Allen was treated how Jones was treated at the beginning of this season. He was coddled and not allowed to run the offense wide open. Sure they came out swinging in Jacksonville and then in Seattle but for the most part at the beginning of the season I truly believe they had Jones on a pitch count. No way he has 12 games with 27-31 throws if he's not on a pitch count. Daboll did the same with Allen his first two years, taught him to win within the system to build his confidence until they got to a point they were winning because of Allen not just with him if that makes sense.

Just my opinion though

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2023, 09:58:20 AMI will expand on how I envision DJ's contract. 

1) Contracts are about the total dollar amount and the guaranteed money

2) I would expect there to be a smaller signing bonus but guaranteed salary for the first two seasons  (salary guarantees count 100% in the year they are paid

3) I would expect a roster bonus in year 3 and years 3 and 4 not having a guaranteed salary

So if the team walked away after year 2, there would be a cap hit from the pro-rated signing bonus, but it would be offset by his salary and not paying the roster bonus so that the hit would be manageable.

I agree with your premise even though I'm hoping it's a shorter deal. Something like 3yr 100 million with 50 million guaranteed and only a 5 million signing bonus. The basic structure of the Carr deal where we can get out at any time and Jones can save face by saying each years earnings would be at the franchise tag at 33 million.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 12, 2023, 07:47:41 PMWithout getting into the debate about whether a #1 WR will make a huge impact, as everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I do feel that the more important issue going forward for this team, is to infuse potential pro bowl talent either from the draft or FA into the interior of the offensive line.

Meaning the Center, Left Guard and Right Guard positions.

I believe that will have more of an offensive impact, especially for DJ and Barkley moving forward, than adding a #1 WR at this point.

Center absolutely but I believe one of Brederson or EZ will be LG of the future as they are both cheap and under contract. That and maybe we draft a late round prospect to shadow Glow but he'll be RG next year. If we have better center play it'll help Glow as he was in between Feliciano and a rookie so he didn't necessarily have it easy.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 12, 2023, 01:06:55 PMOrlovsky ranks the play-off QBs.  I think his rank of DJ will surprise some folks and, I expect will be controversial.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35413498/ranking-nfl-playoff-quarterbacks-2023-dan-orlovsky-stacks-strengths-weaknesses-all-14

As a tease, this is what he said about Jones:

You'll have to click through to see where he is ranked and who is above and below him.

I think that's about right. I mean any given Sunday him dak and cousins could be interchangeable in my opinion but for 1 game his legs provide a boost those two guys just simply can't do. I might even put him over Lamar or at least have Lawrence and Lamar swap spots. I'm not sure Brady should be up there either that high.

Quote from: Trench on January 11, 2023, 08:53:18 PMBF - I think you missed your calling as a GM or capologist. You will pound your fist against the table until the cows come home I'll give u that.

I'm happy with where we are with our WR (in terms of NOT breaking the bank) for a #1. I think Our GM agrees

I'd much rather talk about upgrading our punter at this point than Wr in every thread.

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on January 11, 2023, 11:36:47 AMElite, or even very good QBs, make their players better. If you need players to kake you better, than you are not that, you are average at best.

If DJ plays more games like his last few, perhaps the view on him can change a bit. But I currently still don't view him as a long term, $35m+ guy

He's definitely short term 2-3 year hopefully with it all up front so we can continue building out the team for a couple of years and have it ready for whoever. I just doubt a majority of this roster is here for it minus Lawrence, Thomas, thibs, Neal, Bellinger, and Mckinney.

Quote from: Rambo89 on January 11, 2023, 05:54:43 AMTo be fair I heard the same thing a year ago if the Giants replaced Jason Garrett as offensive coordinator and upgraded the offensive line.  Both of those things were done and all it led to was going from 31st to 24th in passing yards and that was with Jones making 5 more starts than he did a year ago along with a healthy Barkley to open things up off playaction.

If you have to have a 16 million a year RB and a 20-30 million a year Wr so that your Qbs stats aren't in the 20s is it really worth it? Just saying.

Quote from: T200 on January 10, 2023, 10:22:23 AMThat's great and all but the flip side is that he only averaged 6.8 YPA which means he primarily is throwing shorter passes. It's fine and I don't have a problem with it but I'd like to see where he ranks in number of passes less than 20 yards. I'd go out on a limb and say he's at least top 3.

He's tied for 28th with Murray in passes of 20+ with 27 and he's 22nd in passes of 40+ with 5. Net yards per passing play he's 24th with 5.7. This may be the closest one to what you are asking but he's tied for 27th in Completed air yard per completion with baker Mayfield at 5.1 yards. So the average completed pass is 5.1 yard in the air. He's also 33rd on his Alex score with -1.2 meaning he throws on average 1.2 yards short of the 1st down.

Hopefully those stats help. Couldn't find the passes short of 10 or 20 yards though.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2023, 03:29:38 PMSeth Galina of PFF has perhaps the most negative evaluation of Jones I have seen in some time:

DANIEL JONES
2022 PFF Grade: 76.7
Strength: Athletic ability
Weakness: Timing
Best Fit: The NFL offenses that make their quarterbacks look better than they are

With the Giants returning to the playoffs, there is enough goodwill for the franchise to endure another season from Daniel Jones, but he and the team are likely regression candidates. Head coach Brian Daboll and offensive coordinator Mike Kafka have done a commendable job creating an offense that hid most of Jones' faults. Jones is at best a slightly above-average quarterback and could look effective in a good scheme (he has that this year) and with a good supporting group of pass catchers (he does not have that this year), but he will probably never be a player who can elevate his teammates.

The Giants' coaching staff protected Jones with a league-leading number of bootlegs, the fourth-most quarterback runs and a seventh-ranked running game in expected points added per play this season. This was the perfect storm for Daniel Jones to look like a good quarterback without necessarily being one.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-preview-2023-free-agent-quarterback-class-lamar-jackson-geno-smith-tom-brady

I think between this one and the PFF you shared both have truths. I think when Teams gameplans prioritize Jones over Barkley then he can look like what the PFF article stated. Specifically the Seattle and Lions game. Those two games highlight his tendency to dance or stay in the pocket entirely too long but for the most part this season he's looked like the first article from Dan. Maybe Seth only watched the first couple of conference games plus seattle and Detriot. Who knows but it's definitely not as bad as Dan makes it especially if we see Jones vs the Jags, Vikes, Colts consistently moving forward.

I still don't think he's the long term answer because of my views on team building (we have a lot of team left to build) but he's earned the right to compete next year and build off the end if this season.

I also think the fan base as a whole and media outlets might have a different perception of Jones had we opened the playbook a little earlier than the last 3 weeks.

Quote from: ozzie on January 06, 2023, 08:28:16 AMI haven't begun watching this yet, but I heard about this the Episode "order" and this intrigues me. I will definitely check it out.

Yeah it's so weird the episodes aren't numbered they are color coded and you can watch them in any order but I recommend Yellow first.

kaleidoscope just came out on Netflix

A master thief and his crew attempt an epic heist worth $7 billion, but betrayal, greed and other threats undermine their plans.

Gincarlo Esposito stars

What's even more fun is the episodes aren't numbered and ordered differently for everyone. So you don't know if you are watching the finale first or premiere last. The episodes show up different so that everyone can have a different perspective on the show. Truly bonkers but maybe brilliant idea. In on episode 2 and loving it but I love heist movies. So far it's oceans 11 meets the town, but I'll follow up when I finish.

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 05, 2023, 03:31:32 PMTHE HERD | Greg Cosell tells Colin: Daniel Jones is the best
QB that can win NFC under Brian Daboll

https://youtu.be/DbUO3-SdTOY

Cosell: Daboll comfortable with Jones throwing 45 times....By the way with a Very average core of WRs behind a revolving door offensive line

A) No one said anything about Jones being the best Qb or that he could win the NFC in that video.

B) The last part you put under the video is out of context. He was saying that Daboll felt comfortable with Jones throwing it 45 times in the Vikings game, what does the Vikings team have that give context to the quote? The worst passing defense In the league, he even started it by saying "In the Vikings game Daboll was comfortable" and you left it out.

You know better than this by now its frankly absurd that everything you post has to be triple checked for accuracy instead of just being consumed for learning.

Why wouldn't you just put Cosell talks to Colin Cowherd about Daniel Jones.

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 02, 2023, 08:09:41 PMWow #8 is a player that I think is going to have almost evry fan on the bandwagon before too much longer. DG made a lot of mistakes granted but picks 2, 4 and 6 were not among them. He nailed those.

In all fairness if he had nailed them you wouldn't have 100's pages of discussion and probably a 100 more pages of deleted discussion on whether to keep them or not.