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James 4 catches 42 yards
Hodgins 4 catches 37 yards
Barkley 5 catches 33 yards
Slayton 5 catches 23 yards

Jones average pass was 5 yards and his EPA or expected points added per pass on each throw was .04 as Jones averaged 5 yards a throw, his average Air Yards was like 3.4 and he on average threw in 5.2 yards short of the first down.

So Elevated. Outside the 91 yard drive our offense basically did absolutely nothing all game until the Barkley drive late in the game. This is not just on the QB but the offense as a whole. If anyone is content with a 160 yards passing every week then so be it but that's horrible. As it stands the defense will have to carry this team into the playoffs.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 20, 2022, 08:33:47 AMYet the strategy worked and the quick one read passing attack kept off the delayed blitzes, twists and stunts. There was only one play that I was able to see on replay where the Giant's Receiver was open on a go route where DJ had time after a roll out. May have been more.

With all these guys doing podcast analysis with the all 22, I haven't seen any of them looking at each game for other downfield options. The one exception was the Hodkins stop and go. So are we to assume they don't exist? I've seen several on the replay angle.

The game plan is always keep it close and let the other team make the mistakes.

I agree the one read offense was a good idea as most teams had grasped their rpo/Playaction from previous games. It was definitely the right call, and would have probably been more effective if the run game had been better before that last drive.

Per Big Blue View
"Daniel Jones had just 160 yards passing and averaged 5.0 yards per attempt. Per NFL NextGenStats, his average pass was 5.2 yards short of the first down marker and was intended to have 3.7 air yards. His average depth of target ranks in the 2nd percentile dating back to 2010 and his average completion traveled just 3.4 yards downfield in the air".

"Per NFL NextGenStats, just four of Jones' 32 pass attempts were thrown to receivers who were covered"

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Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 19, 2022, 05:19:04 PMThis is what drives me crazy.  Even a great win becomes an occasion to throw shade at DJ.

I was being genuine, he's the only QB In the past 20 years to have that many primetime games without a win. Everyone wanted him to show up in a big game, and so saying he got the monkey off his back is factual. I have said in the game thread and elsewhere that he had a great drive multiple times. However I'm not sure 160 yards and 0 Tds vs a defensive secondary that is giving up the 8th most yards, and 6th best cmp% is something to write home about. Without that one drive he has 70 yards passing for the rest of the game.. 70 yards in 52 minutes but all the former giants are up in arms about how great he was? I just don't get it as he virtually played the exact same game he has all season with the att cmp, and yards.. what other Qb in the NFL is getting praised for a 160 yard game with no Tds.. they don't not even backups.

1-10 in primetime games now, least he got that off his back with the win.

Quote from: AP44 on December 19, 2022, 08:28:11 AMIt's amazing after a big time win last night, we still have to read posts degrading the QB. And I was told I was the one with the agenda....

So you thought the Qb played amazing football last night? To say he managed the game is not degrading him, it's simply saying he managed... what else can you say about a 160 yards lol?

Quote from: AP44 on December 18, 2022, 09:56:49 PMThat was a pretty good drive, don't you think? Jones making money throws all drive too.

Yeah all that money for a total of 160 yards. One drive does not make a season or a game. It was a great drive, if he could do that every possession we wouldn't be having discussions. The problem is that Jones has one decent drive a game, or one great game a season and people think he should be retained. The Backup in Washington significantly outplayed Jones tonight. Great full for the win, but I doubt Jones made any money tonight, he just managed.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 18, 2022, 03:57:45 PMWould you be happy with any of those QB's instead of Daniel Jones or it has to be the Draft?

Depends on the situation, I wouldn't be thrilled with any of them longterm. They all have positives but in that range they also all have negatives. 

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 18, 2022, 03:20:54 PMCan Dallas win the NFC with a 6-7.5 QB?

With their defense and pollard I think divisional round at best.

Quote from: Fletch on December 18, 2022, 01:35:36 PMI'm watching nfl network at the gym and for those who don't k is just show clips of games happening right now.

We should start a running thread of throws NFl QBs can make that Daniel Jones can't . So far I have seen dak prescott and Darnold of all things not to mention Jared Goff as well.

A fourth year qb the giants have which half the fan base is in love with and wants extended . Boggles the mind

See for everyone that thinks I'm a Jones hater I was all in on him the first few years and did tons of research and analytics on him. The wild thing is that he used to be able to make some of those throws, his first two years he had great deep ball placement and his timing was spot on. I don't know if it was Garrett or whomever but last year Jones was broken and despite Daboll and crew squeezing every single thing out of him, I don't think you'll ever see better than we're seeing right now from Jones which is scary for everyone wanting him to be retained because he's missing the basic instincts to nit only survive but thrive as an NFL QB.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 18, 2022, 12:58:15 PMColt McCoy 2
Dak Prescott 6
Daniel Jones 5
Mac Jones 4
Ryan Tannehill 6
Jimmy G 6
Goff 6
Mitch Trubisky 5
Derek Carr 6

Yeah similar to mine give or take, for the most part.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 18, 2022, 11:34:32 AMWow! That's interesting. Looks like you saw one being the highest and you ranked them instead of scaling them. Ok, that's cool.

Lol it was early where I am, was just trying to participate. I'll adjust now that I've had coffee.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 18, 2022, 09:44:24 AMRank the following QB's on a scale of 1-10.

Colt McCoy
Dak Prescott
Daniel Jones
Mac Jones
Ryan Tannehill
Jimmy G
Goff
Mitch Trubisky
Derek Carr

Colt McCoy 3
Dak Prescott 7
Daniel Jones 5
Mac Jones 5?
Ryan Tannehill 5
Jimmy G 6
Goff 6
Mitch Trubisky 5
Derek Carr 7

Mac Jones was hard as he had a phenomenal rookie season, but has come down to earth with 2,189 yard 7 Td 8 Int so until I see different I've got to go 5

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 17, 2022, 07:18:56 AMI can't help but think of the golden rule when I see posts like this.  It's more than fair to want to be treated with respect and have your opinions considered valid rather than just the rantings of Jones haters.    Yet while that is how you want to be treated, in turn, you crap all over those that don't agree with you and paint people who support Jones as irrational people that see anything less than 100% Jones as hating him.  I wish this do as I say, not as I do, was a one-off, but sadly 3 people endorsed that post.

I am done with this nonsense.  How about we stick with the topic of this thread?

Rambo has never crapped all over you and brings a ton of discussion to your board, but sure go after him Rich. I was initially just trying to tell you the you were alienating half of the board not being actually neutral and liking all of BFs, and Todges posts and ranting about Jones haters at the deadline and even a week ago. If you don't want to change, I don't care, I was just trying to tell you as the owner that more ppl might actually speak their mind if you were actually Switzerland.

Most people everyone calls Jones haters genuinely think he's a middle of the road average Qb, and just think the team should go in a different direction. That's it, and you can make it more but in reality they think he's 15-20 and want more for the team. Not hating, just loving the Giants and having a different perspective.