Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 10, 2024, 12:30:55 PMNow, the new hot term is "processing speed".  Much like arm talent, I don't think the term is fully flushed out.  Waldman talked about Daniels processing too fast, in that he passed over one of his targets right before that player got open.

Rich: As for Daniels, what you said is one thing that does worry although he's top of my list, but that has nothing to do with processing speed.

I was referring to his critique of May.

The knock on Maye by Waldman is that his "slow" processing speed often leads to reduction in the yardage to be obtained on a particular play, because it's taking him too long to decide to throw the ball, which means it's often thrown to a less-than-optimal spot, causing the receiver to have to break stride or contort his body or even stop moving. This has little (or nothing) to do with completion rate. Maye is still very good at getting completions (good accuracy, good target selection, good at tight windows, etc) but in the NFL a lack of optimal processing speed not only costs you yardage, it also reduces your completion rate because defenders in NFL are far superior to what you ordinarily see in college. More often than not, pro CB's and S's are almost draped over the receiver, so any chance you lose to get him the ball at the optimal time and location is a very serious matter. Bob

Quote from: Painter on April 10, 2024, 11:10:34 AMSome of the differences between Brugler's (with a r) and Martz's may not be great but can be worthy of note, not that it matters beyond whatever importance we impart to it.

Larry: Thanks for pointing out that Dane is not a musician. LOL

Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 09, 2024, 05:14:32 PMIt's interesting that you label it a weak QB class since so much of the narrative is about how strong this class is, especially compared with the next one.  With the strong subtext that if you need a QB you better get him this year.  Interesting in a good way, not the Chinese curse way.

AZRich: You laid your finger on the gist of my reasoning... next year's class is unlikely to be as "good" as this year's... BUT... that doesn't necessarily translate into this year's group being any good, and I don't think it's very good.  I'd probably bet on Daniels for the having the "quickest" path to success in the group, but I'm not even very confident in that prediction because it will depend on which team selects him and how much (if any) the coaches try to change his style. For one thing, I think he looks to run as his next option whenever a pass play breaks down on the first or second read, rather than knowing how (as Mahomes does) to buy time and re-focus as (IMO) the correct next option. Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 10, 2024, 08:31:12 AMI will add my own comment:  I think Mike's reasoning is flawed.  Yes, the Bills hit on Josh Allen.  I think Mike's flaw is that because of that hit, Schoen and Daboll are zeroing in on another Josh Allen.  The draft isn't a supermarket; you draft what's available to you.  In Buffalo, they drafted Josh Allen and created a team and scheme he could be successful int.  What's not a given is that Josh Allen is their prototypical QB the one with all the traits (if the draft was a supermarket) they would be seeking.  We have seen Daboll be successful with different quarterbacks, and he has said he builds his offense around what a quarterback does well. 

Rich: If you (or anyone else) saw Schmelk's interview with Matt Waldman (the guy who most teams failed to listen to when he tapped Mahomes as the top QB in the draft when he came out of college), he said the knock on Maye is (most notably) his processing speed. I worry about that, because many people believe that's what's "wrong" with Jones, and I don't think he has figured it out yet (and maybe never will). Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 09, 2024, 03:53:56 PMI will say this: The Giants gave away a valuable (in terms of trading up if they wanted a quarterback) high second-round pick in the Burns trade.  I have to think, at the very least, that precludes the Giants from trading up for a QB, and perhaps tips Schoen's overall draft intentions (that he is drafting a WR unless perhaps the right QB falls to him).

Rich: That makes sense. I suppose they could get around that problem if they're willing to part with multiple picks next yr and/or in later yrs (they could also trade one of their few really good players... sure hope not). Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 09, 2024, 10:44:42 AMSchoen's draft record to date can best be described as "too soon to completely judge"

Schoen has traded away a lot of draft capital that he could have used to draft low-cost young players.

Consider:

Brian Burns-  a second-rounder and a 5th-rounder next year
Darren Waller-  a third-round comp pick
Isaiah Simmons- a seventh-round pick
Boogie Basham-  Trades a 2025 sixth-rounder for a 2025 seventh-rounder

On the other side of the ledger, with the season lost, Schoen did trade Leonard Williams for a 2nd rounder.  Although, in fairness, the Giant's season was over, and they had no plans to retain him, the Giants kept McKinney and Barkley even though they didn't retain either player after the same lost season.

Schoen also traded away picks in the last draft.  Schoen gave away a 5th and a 7th round pick to move up a spot for Banks.  The Giants gave away a 4th round pick to move up for Hyatt.

If Schoen was utterly confident in his ability to draft quality players, like some of the league's better drafting teams, would he be so eager to trade away picks?

The alternate conclusion from the very same evidence, IMO, is that Schoen (probably pursuant to instructions from Mare) is in win-now mode, as Albert Breer has concluded. Bob

With no direct evidence or inside info, IMO there's probably one particular QB whom, if lightning strikes and he falls to them, they'll have a hard time NOT taking, unless their top-rated WR is also there and they have that man rated very very highly, in which case, as Breer's ear-to-the-ground info suggests, they'll go WR. Bob

His numbers 2 & 3 (Daniels and McCarthy) are my numbers 1 & 2 (in a very weak class IMO).

Maybe one of the two will turn out to be a true NFL starting QB. Daniels has the tools. McCarthy has the smarts.

I have no interest in O'Sullivan's top pick (Williams). I don't trust him to be a pro. He may grow up some day, but I'd bet a steak dinner he'll turn out to be a wasted pick (not just a backup... a wasted pick).

Bob

And, of course, his scenario assumes Pick Five (just ahead of the Giants) will be at the same position that the Giants would be interested in, which (as he says) would then result in the Giants getting the second-best player at the same position.  But there are other scenarios where the Giants could get to draft the very best player (in their view) at a position of need, which IMO is the Holy Grail of any draft... combining the filling of a need with taking best player available. Bob

Why am I not surprised to see this?        I forgot to wish you luck yesterday. Great team!  Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 08, 2024, 11:04:57 AMYou're too kind, Bob. My poll is flawed, as I meant to include Maye on the list (I realized I missed him too late to add him).

My flaw was not putting the question in the title (or at least including the word "poll" as you did). Also, for me (with not great vision) the question on the poll screen is in reverse print on my PC (the words are in white against a colored background, which cause me - at least - to not actually see it unless I know it's there). Bob

Quote from: katkavage on April 08, 2024, 08:39:45 AMNo, I'm saying that if he is there at 6, which I think was the poll question, take him because it wouldn't be a reach. And if Schoen and Daboll think he is worth trading up for, yes. Do it. QB is the team's biggest need.

Kat: You're right. I take the blame for not putting the question in the title also (although it does appear atop the list of ten names on the poll screen. Also, I agree with your reasoning, if the Giants actually like Daniels. He is still my top QB in this draft, because I believe his skill set is best suiting to "modern-day" NFL. Bob

Rich: I like your poll better than mine, though they "take the temperature" on two entirely different things. Bob

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on April 08, 2024, 08:27:32 AMNot sure what you mean. Daniels will not be around at #6 . The Commanders or Pats will take him. Are you suggesting that we trade up for him ?

B-Dave: Daniels is still there at six in at least two of the "expert" mock drafts. I'll agree it's highly unlikely, but it's also highly unlikely one of the other QB's and two of the WR's named in the poll won't be there either. No, I'm not suggesting that we trade up. I'm just saying not every expert agrees Daniels will be gone. So I assume that if lightning strikes and he's still there, you would take him. Bob

Don't forget to read the question, which is not in the title. It appears at the top of the list of names on the poll screen.  Guests can vote (as well as members).

As most members may know by now, my vote is Harrison.  He knows what to do after he gets punched in the face (which he will in the NFL).

My second vote would have gone to Odunze, because he knows how to punch defenders in the face. I'm just not sure how he'll react to being the recipient of a punch in the face (which seldom, if ever, happened to him in college).

Bob

PS. According to my research and conversations, any of the 10 guys listed in the poll could go before the sixth pick of the 1st round (team needs do vary).