Big Blue Huddle

Last week people got after the coaching because we didn't run on the first series. Today they get on the coaching because we do. It isn't the coaches. You aren't going to win with a third string QB who doesn't belong in the NFL and with an OL on its 9th combo in 10 games.

The moves fell apart mostly because of Jones. Whose fault is it that he constantly throws into trap coverage. Whose fault is it when he miss Hyatt wide open.

I think you really underestimate Lawrence.

Bring me Drake Maye thank you very much.

Making the playoffs with Jones was a miracle. Thinking this season is coaching is irrational.

Deshaun Watson is an XXXXXXX, but he was very good for Houston before all the xxxx went down. Up and down this year.

Sam Howell is playing OK for Washington in basically his rookie year. That is just off the top of my head.

And of course Phillip Rivers had a really good NFL career out of NC State.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 05:28:13 PMDgood: But I can't name the last ACC QB who had better than a 2nd-round-quality NFL career. Bob

No because Caleb is a generational talent despite the crazy things I see people here say about him. The ACC is not a weak conference. It is the third or 4th best conference in the sport. The conference is likely placing a team in the playoff. And another is close.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 02:17:41 PMDgood: Do you think Maye will be listed as "top dog" by draft day? I don't (because he plays in the ACC). It will be an interesting QB draft in 2024, that's for sure (and I'm not even included the Giants' possible interest in drafting a high first-round QB, is there actually WILL BE such interest). Bob

It is a yes. And it is on him. Not on others. Teams laugh at how it is to still fool him with trap coverages. He's terrible. Dave Brown part 2.

So I was thinking about year 4 when things went sour.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 12, 2023, 05:15:33 AMActually, it was year two that the wheels came off for him and for the Browns. He had some success as a rookie and challenged Barkley for OROR. Year two he and the team completely flopped. Year three both he and the team were materially improved. Year three was actually the best year of his career. He has been largely bad since, with the exception of having some intermittent success this year.

Maye and Jones are such different prospects. Maye has an elite arm. He makes throws that Jones can only dream of making. He also goes through progressions better than Jones ever did. Jones was a 2nd round talent. Maye is an elite prospect who would be the top pick in most drafts. Don't helmet scout.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 08:28:36 AMEd: IMO you know your QB's but I ask you... even if the Giants like Maye and want him over all other QB's....

How can Schoen stand before the media & make the case for Maye (assuming they get him in the high first round)?

After the lack of success of Daniel Jones (or, if you still believe in him as I do, delayed or stunted success)
coming out of the ACC, it would require (because Jones will still be on the team) Schoen to say why Maye is a better prospect than Jones!  If you disagree with this statement, then tell me what he will say... no, I don't think the Giants will take Maye no matter how much they like him.

Bob

There is no way he'll be there at the top of the 2nd round. That was the view before the season. He's gonna be a top 5 pick now. I think 3 QBs go in the top 5. Williams, Maye and Daniels. Maybe McCarthy can make it 4.

Mayfield actually had some success early. Then the wheels fell off in year 3.

You need moments in those first two years, but not consistent play. Eli was inconsistent early on, but he had some amazing moments within that time frame. Same for Josh Allen.

He'll be out of the league after training camp next season.

Three years unless things are a total disaster. There are rare circumstances where you will know sooner. If you haven't seen enough in three years though, you move on.