Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: GMenRF on January 19, 2023, 12:57:33 AMGoes to show you they don't really watch the games.  If they did this clown would clearly see we've really opened up the playbook like a month ago.  It's ok if they keep harping at DJ's stats and argue that we won't be a playoff team next year.  DJ is more than happy to serve these clowns some crow and humble pie.

Imagine Wan'Dale and possibly another stud WR in this offense.  I know it's a pipe dream, but imagine if Schoen trades for Higgins since the Bengals can't pay him, Burrow and Chase at the same time?  That quick shot in the back of the endzone, if that's Higgins catching the ball thats a TD.

Yes the reason why Cowherd has to discount DJs running ability is because if he includes it, it diminishes his nonsensical point.

For instance if we combine his rushing totals and TDs we get almost 4,000 Yards, 22 TDs 5 Int and a 92.5 RTG, and that is without him playing in the last game.

Yet to Cowherd these stats only show a C QB, and this is why I've begun to lose respect for him, and Nick Wright.

And I can see why you call them clowns because that seems to fit there mentality.

Sadly, not only is it Nick Wright, but also Colin Cowherd has just come out and said DJ is only a C QB at best.

Not even a C+ or B-, but only a C.

Obviously, he is entitled to his opinion, but DJ is the 7th ranked QB in QBR and 13th in RTG.

He also dismisses his 7 rushing TD's, and over 700 yards rushing.

In any event, I used to like Cowherd, but I'm starting to lose respect for his opinion.

Here is the link to the show down below, let's see what happens Saturday night

Cowherd


 

I take that back, Nick Wright has decided to double down on his position that DJ is still not a good QB.

He then proceeds to say he only threw 15 TDs on the year, and completely dismisses the 7 rushing TD's he brought to the table.

You can see the clip here, if you go to the 3:10 time stamp

Nick Wright clip

Here were DJ's numbers from last night.

24/35 301 Yards    2 TD 0 Int 81.2 QBR 114.1 Rating

78 Yards rushing

He did this in a playoff game, on the road in a hostile environment, and wasn't fazed one bit.

We need to remember, Eli was 27 years old in his 4th year, DJ is only 25 in his 4th year, he's two years younger.

Shannon Sharpe called DJ just a few weeks ago a "JAG", clearly, he was wrong.

Nick Wright said DJ wasn't good, clearly, he was wrong.

Dan Orlovsky said DJ wasn't a good QB, now he is saying he is a problem solver, clearly, he was wrong.

DJ is blossoming right before our eyes, and he is doing it in the NY Media market which has vilified him these past four years.

Congrats to DJ

Quote from: Rambo89 on January 13, 2023, 09:24:19 AMI'm not so sure you need pro bowl talent at those positions just players who are good enough and have chemistry with the rest of the group.  Always go back to the 08-10 lines where the only true elite player on those lines was Snee.

I wouldn't go near those numbers for Jones based upon who and what I believe he is but I've accepted that it's likely to be in that range.  I am just hoping it's not a deal that goes beyond 3 years.

Hi

I agree,and I'm not trying to be critical here but I did say "infuse potential pro bowl talent", so players that could "potentially" be pro bowlers not necessarily that they are.

Okay I'm off to work carry on

Without getting into the debate about whether a #1 WR will make a huge impact, as everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I do feel that the more important issue going forward for this team, is to infuse potential pro bowl talent either from the draft or FA into the interior of the offensive line.

Meaning the Center, Left Guard and Right Guard positions.

I believe that will have more of an offensive impact, especially for DJ and Barkley moving forward, than adding a #1 WR at this point.

Hi, I don't know if anyone has seen these updated stats for DJ, but I thought I'd share them here.

- Jones' 92.5 passer rating is a career high, his current mark would rank seventh in team history, and it is the highest since Eli Manning's 93.6 rating in 2015.

- If Jones maintains his 67.2 completion percentage through the Giants' season finale Sunday in Philadelphia, he will establish a franchise single-season record for qualifying quarterbacks. Manning holds the current mark with at 66.0% in 2018.

- Jones' five-highest single-game completion percentages have all been this season, including a career-best 85.0 in the victory at Tennessee on Sept. 11. His 79.2 percentage against the Colts is the third highest of his career.

- Jones has a 1.06 interception percentage this season (five picks in 472 passes). No Giants quarterback has ever thrown so many passes with so few interceptions. The lowest ever INT percentage in a season by a qualifying Giants quarterback is 1.29 by Phil Simms in 1990 (four picks in 311 attempts).

- Jones has started all 16 games this season and he did not throw an interception in 12 of them. That is the highest number of starts without throwing a pick in the NFL this season. No other quarterback has more than 10.

- Jones has thrown for 3,205 yards with a 67.2 completion percentage and has rushed for 708 yards. He can become the fourth quarterback in NFL history – and one of two this year – with a 3,200-yard, 65%, 700-yard season.

If you'd like to see more of his stats, you can find them posted at Giants.com

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 26, 2022, 03:38:23 PMDaboll and Kafka like Jones on a schedule. When we win he typically throws it for 27-30 times for a 180 yards and 0-1 Tds. It's when he's asked to throw more than that is when we lose typically. Because him throwing less means the ground game is working and if the ground game isn't working we typically lose.

Normally I'd agree with you but Barkley was averaging 6.0 yards per carry last game, which means the ground game was working, yet they only ran it 14 times.

If I may interject a few thoughts.

Daboll and Kafka had DJ throw the ball 42 times against the Vikings, and 30 times against the Jaguars.

Why?

Because the Vikings have the 32nd ranked passing defense, and the Jaguars the 28th.

Daboll and Kafka are going to attack a teams weakness, this means they may run it 50 times a game, or throw it 40 times, depending on the opponent.

Daboll has mentioned this multiple times, during his media sessions.

One of the criteria that JS has said for the QB position is can he come through in the "Gotta have it moments".

The Giants were down by 8, with about 4 minutes left in the game. DJ drove them down the field and scored a TD, and also came through with a 2 point conversion.

I personally was looking to see if he could come through in a "Gotta have it moment" when the pressure was on and he did.

Two more games to go, let's see what happens

Here are some stats from todays article

"Jones has career-bests in completion percentage (66.0) and passer rating (90.5). His on-target throw percentage of 80.5 and bad throw percentage of just 12.5 are also the best of his career. He also had 6.6 percent of his passes dropped, the worst percentage of his career and an indication of the lack of help he has received at times."

"Jones has also run for a career-high 583 yards, with his running ability emerging as a major weapon for the Giants' offense."

"Jones has thrown just four interceptions this season, fewest of any NFL starting quarterback. His interception percentage of 1.0 is a career- and league-best. He has also fumbled a career-low five times despite carrying the ball 105 times (his previous career high in carries was 65) and being sacked a career-worst 9.2 percent of the time when he attempts to pass."

"The lack of fumbles is particularly impressive. He has now fumbled only 12 times in his last 25 games. Combine Jones' carries and sacks, the times he would possibly fumble, and he is averaging one fumble every 29.2 times he is hit. Over his first two seasons he fumbled 29 times on 193 combined carries and sacks, an average of once every 6.7 times."

I had an opportunity to re-watch the Dallas and Philadelphia games, and compared them to the last Washington game.

The Giants offensive line was completely manhandled by the Cowboys and Eagles defensive line.

Barkley only rushed for 3.1 and 3.5 ypc in both games, and had nowhere to run.

DJ was under tremendous pressure and his time to throw was significantly reduced.

In the last Washington game the Giants offensive line was much stronger and provided some holes for Barkley to run through as his ypc jumped to 4.8.

We can support or criticize DJ all we want but if the Giants offensive line gets manhandled again by Dallas and Philadelphia it really isn't going to matter.

A big part of winning takes place down in the trenches

There was something that Chris Collinsworth said about DJ during the Washington game that I thought was of interest.

He said, DJ is very good when he gets rid of the ball quickly and throws short intermediate passes, spreading the football around to multiple targets. In this I agree.

I would also add that DJ is very good when he has some designed runs called.

He also admitted the other day that he has learned what it takes to win in the NFL.

So, is he a game manager? Yes, I would say so, but I believe he is becoming very good at it.

Does he throw for a lot of yardage? No, but in order to win in the NFL, it's not so much about stats but what is the final score at the end of the game.

Final thought he only has thrown four interceptions in fourteen games, that is excellent. He has learned how to protect the football and not turn it over, and that has been a huge key in the teams 8-5-1 record.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 22, 2022, 08:19:31 AMLike the Slayton play in the first Washington game I think this one was on both players.  Problem for me is that we are seeing too many of these with the Giants and it's not just one receiver it's multiple receivers.  It shows the argument can be made that Jones hasn't elevated those around him just as much as they haven't elevated him.

Good points, and to add to what you are saying the first two passes in thay game that DJ threw to Slayton weren't completed either, so Slayton wasn't helping to elevate DJs game as you brought out

Here is the Bellinger dropped pass from the 3rd quarter of Sunday night's game that I had mentioned before.

It was actually 3rd and 5 and not 3rd and 9, and the pass seems to have been slightly behind Bellinger, and not on the numbers as I and Chris Collingsworth had previously mentioned, so please forgive me.

However even though it was slightly behind him, this seems like it was a pass that most starting NFL TE's should catch, especially on a crucial 3rd down, to keep a drive alive.

If you feel it was a bad pass, or a bad catch or maybe even both, you are entitled to your opinion, I am just sharing the pics for you to make your own call.
 

A point I'd like to add to the discussion is there was a 3rd and 9 throw that DJ made from the back of the end zone, and he put it right on the numbers for Bellinger, and he dropped it.

That drop in the 3rd quarter killed the drive, forced them to punt, and stopped a potential long drive that would have added even more yardage to DJ's total. So, he could have thrown for more yardage than if his supporting cast came through, just something to think about.