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Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 09:53:21 PMNo it's not. Not compared to the Bears. Do you follow the rest of the NFL. The Bears are getting killed all day on the radio today. Called the most disfunctional team in the league.

First, you might want to fix your grammar before attacking someone else's intelligence.

Second, of course I do. The Bears front office being the joke that it is doesn't mean our front office isn't also a mess, given the players it keeps putting on the field.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 09:51:30 PMIf only Gettleman had been patient and waited a year to draft his QB and take Herbert.

I meant Herbert on the Bears, their RB.

You are right, though.

Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 09:51:24 PMTheir entire front office is a mess. Their DC had to quit. Receivers are quitting. They blew a 21 point lead to a crappy team. No thank you. 

Our front office isn't a mess?

Quote from: umassgrad on October 02, 2023, 09:49:43 PMOne positive, we get a top 5 pick, again

Cool, who are we going to waste it on?

Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 09:46:42 PMThe Bears are the worst team in the NFL and it's not even close.

Fields and Herbert would run all over this defense and the guys on their defense who were good 4 years ago would suddenly be rejuvenated and get after Jones.

Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 09:46:40 PMI haven't seen all of the other teams but the Giants are making a strong case.

I saw Denver vs Chicago. We're worse than both those teams.

Denver's defense is horrific.

... is what I'd like to say, but I feel like Chicago would do this to our defense too.

Quote from: Ed Vette on September 26, 2023, 12:26:43 PMExplain to me why Schoen didn't pay Love.

He thought he'd be paying McKinney as a top safety and couldn't keep both. In retrospect we should've signed Love and let McKinney go, but who saw his level of play decline like it has so far?

No mention of Ojulari. I'm starting to think it's just not going to happen here for him, but watch him go somewhere else and suddenly start 60 straight games.

Seattle destroyed us last year and we've had 2 quarters out of 12 of competitive play. This game will be another tough one IMO.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 26, 2023, 10:29:30 AM2022  1  Kayvon Thibodeaux  5 --  disappointment thus far. Some validity to questions around how he's being used, but 1) he hasn't performed even when asked to pass rush, and 2) why draft an edge rusher so high if you're just going to ask him to set the edge, drop back in coverage?

2022  1  Evan Neal  7  -- major disappointment thus far. Has actually looked worse than last year, which is a major concern. Again, some valid questions here around coaching and development, but the eye test right now tells me Neal will not succeed at tackle. The sooner they make a decision on whether to move him, the better his chance to be successful.

2022  2  Wan'Dale Robinson  43  -- persistently injured, Robinson now seems like a luxury pick on a team full of holes. With the OL struggling to provide protection, he's a guy that should be helping with quick throws and YAC. His production in his first game was lacking.

2022  3  Joshua Ezeudu  67  -- uneven performance thus far. Wasn't able to beat out either starting guards, then performs admirably in emergency duty at LT. Teams needs to give him a position and have him dive in with both feet. Shows WAY more athleticism than Neal, so I'd like to see a chance at RT.

2022  3  Cordale Flott  81  -- injured, and not even able to unseat Holmes when healthy. Had more hope for Flott, but he hasn't been able to step up. With Robinson looking like a lost cause and the potential to lose Jackson in the offseason, the team needs Flott to contribute.
   
2022  4  Daniel Bellinger  112  -- after a solid rookie season, hasn't found his footing in his backup role to Waller. Need him to be a force as a blocker, but too many mistakes thus far.

2022  4  Dane Belton  114  -- injured. Pinnock has seemingly staked his claim to one of the safety spots, but between McKinney's poor play and ending contract, there will likely be a spot up for grabs. I'm not convinced Belton is the man for the job, which is too bad, as a 4th round safety should be a contributor.

2022  5  Micah McFadden  146  -- has looked too slow and not athletic enough for much of his NFL career, then has game of his life against the 49ers. There's a chance for MM to be a fixture on this defense, but he needs to be a film rat and hone his instincts to make up for his lack of athleticism.

2022  5  D.J. Davidson  147  -- someone I didn't really think about, Davidson has had a strong year thus far. Let's hope the injury in last game doesn't derail the momentum he built.

2022  5  Marcus McKethan  173  -- pretty uneven in spot duty due to injuries to starters. Maybe with a better OL coach, McKethan could develop into something.

2022  6  Darrian Beavers  182  -- injured. Not sure he's a part of the team's future.

In summary, between disappointing performance of high 1st rounders and injuries, this draft class is not looking promising early on in Year 2. How long this rebuild will take will be impacted a great deal by these player's ability to step up.

They improve and Giants have a good offseason, this team can compete as soon as next year. They continue to struggle and underperform, and it sets them back another 2-3 years.

Solid write up.

I'm starting to think the KT pick was done without really understanding what Martindale wants from his edges. For what the Giants claim they're asking KT to do, we didn't really need to spend the #5 overall pick on that type of role player.

As far as Neal, too many teams (including Dallas who we can assume knows a little about OL) had him rated highly. I think just like Thomas improved when Columbo was sacked, Bobby Johnson probably needed to go during this mini-bye and a new guy with a fresh approach brought in. At the very least, it may be worth it to get a coach to concentrate just on working with Neal. I'm no expert on linemen, but just watching him, it seems like the problem is he's unsure what to do the first second or so on a lot of plays.

Robinson was a luxury pick, but before he was hurt it seemed like he was starting to make an impact.

Bellinger I think could be a long term functional starter at TE, not a star, but reliable.

Nobody else in the draft has done much one way or the other yet ...

But the 2022 draft is looking a little concerning at the moment. Schoen isn't above criticism for these picks.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 23, 2023, 12:38:06 PMMy primary concern/worry with Wink is not that the league has figured him out. He's been around for a long time, so people know what his style is. I don't think that's the issue.

The issue is I'm not sure he is adaptable enough. I think he's a terrific coordinator as long as he has the players he needs. That is, two shutdown man corners and at least four or five legitimately good blitzers, if not more. Clearly, the Giants don't have enough of those ingredients right now, and I'm not sure he's capable or willing to sufficiently adapt his approach in a way that best maximizes the talent we do have.

And if that's the case, then we need another defensive coordinator. I'm sure Patrick Graham and James Bettcher would be pretty good if they had 2 shutdown man corners and 4-5 good blitzers.

Quote from: spiderblue43 on September 24, 2023, 05:05:58 PMThe Jets should have found a way to beat Mack Jones..who couldn't seal the game. Saw some issues on Jets sidelines already. Saleh is a glad hander who isn't the answer.

Wilson's been there long enough and simply can't function.

Yeah, the real coach of the Jets isn't on the sidelines right now.

Broncos have to fire the defensive coordinator after that. There's no way he can be on the sidelines for another game.

Praying for his family and all the BBH community.