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Quote from: uconnjack8 on February 20, 2024, 04:48:58 PMThat stat says when pressured he was 2nd most likely to be sacked, not that he caused the or was responsible for those sacks. Two very different things.do you not understand what is written? Of course he was responsible
Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 20, 2024, 08:39:33 AMLook at every team in the NFL that is great currently or even good, most aren't paying for a RB, it's foolish to do so when you get production elsewhere. The panthers paid a huge chunk of McCaffreys salary in the trade to the 49ers.
What does JJ Mccarthy have to do with safeties or Rbs? I think you've lost the plot.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on February 20, 2024, 08:10:21 AMWhere did you see that he was responsible for 32% of his sacks? I haven't seen that one ( I don't subscribe to PFF). If you are referring to the percent of pressures that turned into sacks, I think you are misinterpreting that stat.
Quote from: T200 on February 20, 2024, 07:53:50 AMIf you feel that it's not that impressive, why knock him for his lack of stellar statistics when it appears his productivity was limited by design?because there is a reason his production was limited by design. The coaching staff did not trust him enough to play anything other than a conservative game plan. that is the antithesis of what a coach like DAboll can do for a team. We want a guy like Maye or Caleb who's problem was taking TOO MANY chances in college like Josh Allen did
For the record, I don't follow college football, so this time of the year leading up to the draft, I rely on the BBH community for insight on the draft picks. Now, I did watch the championship game and felt JJ played a very good game, much better than Penix.
I tend to agree with you that athletically, Jones and McCarthy are similar, and I'd actually give Jones the edge because of his legs. But mentally, I feel like Jones is shot. I think McCarthy has a distinct advantage because of the coaching he received from Harbaugh, playing in a pro-style offense, and he isn't shell-shocked like Jones is.
Quote from: Philosophers on February 19, 2024, 10:31:41 PMHave you spent any time in Michigan in mid-late October/November? Wet, muddy or snowy and cold. Conducive to a running game. The weather dictated some of that. Why would you throw 45 times in a game when you don't have to?
Williams had to throw 45 times per game because USC's defense could not stop anyone so Lincoln Riley had to dial up passing game to score 50 points. Michigan's D never had that problem.
There's a difference between not being able to do something and not having to.
Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on February 19, 2024, 10:53:06 PMJones did not play with the same Oline as either TT or TD. Check out the snap counts during the early part of the season and you'll see stalwarts such as McKethan, Ezeudu,Lemieux playing significant minutes. It wasn't until game 9 when Thomas returned and Philips replaced the injured Neal that the line began to look somewhat competent. Pretty much the same 5 each game for balance of seasonthat doesn't change fact he was responsible for 32% of his sacks (2nd most in the league) according to PFF. That 1 in 3.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 19, 2024, 08:11:49 PMKyrein Williams, Rachaad White in 2023
Of the 12 1,000 yard rushers this past season only 4 made top end money.
No great NFL team pays for a RB period. McCaffrey being the lone exception and the panthers took on most of his salary in the trade to the 49ers. Great teams just replace production, also look at most of the great teams, they don't need elite RB production, most teams with Elite rushing are bad teams.
It makes zero sense to pay for a RB in the middle of a rebuild, especially one that gets paid a million dollars for every 100 yards he runs. There are a hand full of backs every year that come out and produce for pennies, but sure let's continue the Giants being perenial losers by continuing to make the same dumb mistakes. Paying a bad quarterback and paying an oft injured RB a 2nd contract of 10+ million a year to not even get a 1,000 yards.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 19, 2024, 08:42:10 PMWhat? From those comments I'm going to just assume you don't know what you are talking about going forward.
Drake Maye had an elite offense in 2023, his offensive line led by Diego pounds and Tre Green were really really good, and his skill players were significantly better than Michigan's starting with 5 star Wr Tez Walker, the Jones, McCollum, and Nesbit. Not to mention their Rb Hamilton Tha went for 1500 yards.
NC skills trumped Michigan in Rushing and Receiving but sure stick with your narrative.
Michigan had a decent running game but no serious Wrs as Roman Wilson is nowhere the caliber Wr that Tez Walker is... so Michigan likely has a slight edge in Oline but UNC skills were better.
Through seven weeks, McCarthy currently ranked No. 2 nationally in completion percentage (.782), as well as No. 2 nationally in passing efficiency (195.92). He's also the most effective quarterback in the country when it comes to moving the sticks on third down through the air at 73.1% while Drake Maye (52.3%) and Daniels (50%) lagged significantly behind. At that point in the season he had 213 drives of which he scored on 130, 34 field goals and 96 touchdowns, which means he scored on 61% of all drives.
His 88.3 QBR was 3rd in the country despite NOT PLAYING A FULL GAME until week 9. Before week 9 he sat half way through games, had he played every quarter of every game like the other Qbs he would have easily surpassed Drake Mayes yardage and likely Williams. But you know let's not focus on details, let's just watch a random YouTube video and assume instead of actually looking at the numbers. Because for some reason 3,000 yards, 22Td 4Int while sitting at halftime if most games and having a 27-1 record in college is mediocre to you.
But sure whatever you think.
https://www.si.com/college/michigan/football/michigan-wolverines-football-big-ten-jim-harbaugh-jj-mccarthy-michael-penix-bo-nix-drake-maye
Quote from: T200 on February 19, 2024, 07:52:25 PMIs it possible that perfect scenario included mediocre to average numbers for McCarthy?
Quote from: killarich on February 19, 2024, 06:10:47 PMI dont think hes making a load of excusesI would sell the farm to move up. By that I mean first and seconds both years to get Maye or Daniels. We get a QB we have them for 10+ years, and if Daboll finds someone he likes I trust it
He stated he re-watched the first 6 games of the season ... he may have had a bias in his "research" I guess you can say. But what he may be saying may actually be true and I am actually pretty sure it is true the O-line was historically bad. Also like he said Tyrod could not muster up a TD vs the Bills and essentially cost the game , and with the Commanders game I remember him started off very nicely but then faded rather quickly and the defense held on
Of those games DJ did face 3 top 5 defenses.
I am also ready to move on even as a DJ fan
BUT
I also do not believe in giving up the farm for a chance of the pick being a bust. Which is actually a high chance , #6 is really the most "awkward" position the Giants could have landed. Also what he said is true we can unload DJ after next season thankfully due to his contract. We are not going to get the top 34 QB's and yes you may be able to reach for McCarthy but WHY ?? If DJ truly is a bust we will end up as bad or worst next season maybe get a higher pick which we can then get a QB to ADD to the weapons we draft this season whether that be a WR , EDGE , DT idk
And yes I know the QB draft supposedly isnt as good. But that can always change in the flash of an eye and what difference does it really make if we are thinking about reaching for a QB anyways
Quote from: killarich on February 19, 2024, 06:17:53 PMJosh Allen is OBVIOUSLY a better QB then Jonesmaybe but we'd also have 8-9 wins guaranteed with Allen. How many 1 score games we lose this year?
but lets be real here
Allen has had a higher turnover or riskier playmaking these last 2 seasons
If he were to play behind this O-line I could see someone like Allen having one of those 25td but 23 interceptions seasons
Quote from: 4 Aces on February 19, 2024, 05:36:22 PMking/clayton: I respect you guys, but he showed enough to convince real football people he was worth a $90M guaranteed contract. Those are the facts, the rest is just your opinion."real football people"? WTF? So anyone who gets an absolutely horrible contract "deserves it" just because? Guess Deshaun Watson deserves that contract he has because "real football people" decided he did..
And yes, king - I thought they were going to have a good year. It doesn't matter what I or anyone else thought. The facts are, the OL was worse than ever & the skill players didn't pan out. (And no, it wasn't DJ's fault that they didn't.) Waller was forked with the hamstring, Parris Campbell was God Awful and Hyatt was sushi. Barkley got hurt week 2. Slayton is JAG. By the time Wan'dale got back DJ was long gone.
DJ got $90M from an NFL GM and the skill players and OL were subpar last year, as they have been every year of DJ's career. Those are the facts. The rest is just fan BS.
