Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 10, 2024, 09:12:11 AMI think Andy Reid/Mahommes and Belichick/Brady sort of skew the results (2 is a pretty limited sample size)

When you look at QBs who have made it to the Super Bowl in the last 10 years I would break them down by truly elite vs elite play by virtue of supporting talent

elite

Mahommes X4
Burrows
Brady X5
Wilson


played very well by virtue of talent

Purdy
Hurts
Stafford (especially at that age)
Brady (at over 40)
Goff
Garapollo
Foles
Ryan
P. Manning (at that point in his career)
Newton

MG, you can break them down any way you want. This is a QB-driven league, now more than ever. And that second tier you mentioned, with a couple of exceptions, are all very good to elite QBs. Goff, though he is no Mahomes, is a very good QB as is Ryan. They were in the top ten at their peaks and Goff, this year still can be considered top ten. Hurts is just outside the top ten while Newton, that year was certainly top ten. The two outliers are Garapollo and Foles. Purdy, in his second year, is on his way to elite. Time will tell. Really no "average" or below average QBs on that list with maybe Foles and Garapollo being close to average.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 10, 2024, 08:31:12 AMMike's article rehashes (to the point of beating a dead horse) his disdain for Daniel Jones, but when you move past that, you get his take on Drake Maye and how he believes the Giants are targeting him.


I will add my own comment:  I think Mike's reasoning is flawed.  Yes, the Bills hit on Josh Allen.   I think Mike's flaw is that because of that hit, Schoen and Daboll are zeroing in on another Josh Allen.   The draft isn't a supermarket; you draft what's available to you.   In Buffalo, they drafted Josh Allen and created a team and scheme he could be successful int.  What's not a given is that Josh Allen is their prototypical QB the one with all the traits (if the draft was a supermarket) they would be seeking.   We have seen Daboll be successful with different quarterbacks, and he has said he builds his offense around what a quarterback does well.   


In any event, here is the article.


https://vsin.com/nfl/michael-lombardi-what-will-the-giants-do-at-qb/

I haven't read the article yet, but I think he is more "gettable" for the Giants than Daniels or obviously Williams. I would think McCarthy is within reach but Lombardi thinks that they view Maye with more of an upside. I would rather trade up for Daniels or McCarthy and/or move back a bit and draft Penix.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 10, 2024, 08:51:52 AMThere is a bumper crop of QBs coming out in this year's draft.  Yet there doesn't seem to be enough of them because there appear to be so many teams seeking a QB.

I heard recently (unfortunately, I don't remember who said it) that someone suggested that teams no longer just seek a franchise quarterback (I would define it as a top-20 quarterback).  Every team now seems to be seeking an elite 5 QB, and if they don't have one, they are in the QB hunt.

Has the game really changed that much that only teams with a top 5 QB can compete, or is this part of the long tradition of the NFL being a copycat league?  Can teams with a solid quarterback and a talented team make it to the Super Bowl (I would suggest the 49ers were one such team)?

So is it wise for teams to feel they need a top 5 QB or bust?  Should they be focusing more on overall talent rather than top QB at all cost?

QB was always the most important position on the field, by a long shot. Now it's more so especially when you see the impact some of these QBs have on games. The reality now is that you can't really expect to win that Super Bowl without an elite QB. Overall talent should of course be paid attention to, but those holes are so much easier to fill than finding that QB. Think of Super Bowl MVPs or even league MVPs. The majority are QBs. They impact the game more than pretty much any other position. There are exceptions. Back in the day, LT's dominance and presence was as effective as a QBs. And I'm sure there are a few other non-QBs who have had that effect. But they are rare. It's all about the QB.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 09, 2024, 03:25:30 PMWhy can't we ever have a full on rebuild.

They will never be relevant until they recognize that. The cycle of mediocrity will go on and on.

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on April 08, 2024, 08:27:32 AMNot sure what you mean. Daniels will not be around at #6 . The Commanders or Pats will take him. Are you suggesting that we trade up for him ?

No, I'm saying that if he is there at 6, which I think was the poll question, take him because it wouldn't be a reach. And if Schoen and Daboll think he is worth trading up for, yes. Do it. QB is the team's biggest need.

Daniels. QB is the team's biggest need. He would not be a reach at 6. I would much  rather kick the can on a receiver and get one in a later rounds or with a top pick next year than bypass a much more difficult position to fix.

I wouldn't mind Penix, but not at 6. The receivers are good but won't translate to Giants wins without a QB.

Quote from: AYM on April 06, 2024, 04:03:15 PMIt's starting to appear as if Penix might not be available if the Giants somehow move down from #6. Crazy.

I think if they move down no lower than 15, they can get him. He will be drafted before #20.

No Bo Nix?

If they don't draft a QB because they don't like any available to them, fine. But that just adds at least two more years of watching a mediocre product perform on Sundays. If you don't improve the most important position on the field you just can't expect much success.

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 04, 2024, 04:49:36 PMYes, he is a beast after catch. Kind of like a smaller version of a TE. I'm wondering if he could additionally function as an H-Back or utilized as the Niners use Deebo in some sets. I would think he would be very effective in Routes out of the Backfield or Set Back and in a Pitch Out. I think JJ, Daniels or Drake would be a great combination with him. Especially JJ and Daniels. 

He has to have a viable QB to throw to him. So drafting Odunze is nice but means little in terms of winning games until he is paired with a QB with skills.

Odunze would prosper on the Giants and be a serious playmaker once the team finds a QB.

Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on April 03, 2024, 05:08:12 PMMy bet is a lot more folks will be mad if the Jints do take a QB and he's not the one they wanted 😀

It has to be the one the Giants want. That's it

Quote from: londonblue on April 03, 2024, 04:42:39 PMIf they really love a top guy then I will get behind them doing what they have to do to get them given how important QB is in NFL. If they do not (or simply cannot get it done) I see no point in taking one just to be seen to be doing something.

They are doing their homework. If they really like one of the four or five top ones,take him. They might not get a chance at a young QB for awhile. I believe in building foundations. Wide receivers come just before running backs in terms of team building. They don't win games for you. But QBs with receivers do. And it's easier to find receivers than QBs. The Giants right now, at best, have maybe the 20th ranked QB when he is healthy. They have a solid backup that will keep you competitive. But that's it. They have to be better at that position.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 02, 2024, 05:50:30 PMMost fans remember the last game and that's about all. 

Did any of the other QBs have as big an impact on a program that Penix did at Indiana?

I remember C.J Stroud struggling against Michigan a year ago. Well?