Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 30, 2023, 07:58:05 AMI think this is an interesting topic.  Although, with the problems the Giants have, I don't think either player makes a difference.

Yeah, I couldn't have said it better myself. Both Slayton and Love are negligible to the outcome of the Giants season.

Quote from: ozzie on September 29, 2023, 01:29:56 PMIf he's not 100%, I say sit him. No need having this become a season long lingering injury.

Unfortunately, he's been sitting, and its looking like it's becoming a lingering injury.

Quote from: Rambo89 on September 28, 2023, 01:12:05 PMYou know I hadn't thought about this but when I looked up Jones's career splits Home vs Road I was shocked at the gap.  Despite playing one fewer game on the road in his career he has 8 more TD's, 300 more passing yards, 10 fewer INT's and sacked 13 fewer times on the road vs at home.  Interesting thing though is that he has almost 300 more yards rushing at home (52 more attempts at home) than on the road.  So there is definitely a pattern that makes you ask why he has thrown the ball better on the road and why he is running more at home.  Obviously the weather at the Meadowlands is likely a factor but he also has played road games in Philly and Washington late in the year.

Is the a reason for the gap or is it just a coincidence to this point in his career?

On edit:

I went and dug deeper and found that this was mainly impacted by his 2019-2021 splits.  His 2022 splits actually were a lot better at home than they were on the road.  Though he was averaging 30 more passing yards per game on the road his TD splits were better at home.  He also had better rushing numbers at home.

Thanks for sharing Rambo

The Giants had a very difficult time against Seattle when they played them last year in Washington.

This will not be a cake walk, as the Giants do not match up well with them.

Also, Geno Smith is a good QB, and having another solid year.

For some reason DJ doesn't throw the ball as well in MetLife stadium as he does when he's on the road, so we will have to see what happens.

But sadly, it wouldn't shock me if they have another loss here, but hopefully they pull it out.

The beginning to this year seems like it is going to be brutal.

Hopefully they can come out of this with a win, and be 2-2, but we will see.

Quote from: Philosophers on September 25, 2023, 11:57:03 PMThrough 3 games:

CJ - 78/121 (64.5%) 906 yds, 4 TDs/0 INTs, 7.5 Y/A, 11.6 Y/C, Rate 98, Sacks 11, Sack % 8.3%

DJ - 63/97 (64.9%) 562 yds, 2 TDs/4 INTs 5.8 Y/A, 8.9 Y/C, Rate 70, Sacks 12, Sack % 11%

CJ's WRs - Nico Collins, Robert Woods, Tank Dell + TE Dalton Schultz

CJ's OL - Laremy Tunsil, Josh Jones, Michael Deiter, Shaq Mason, George Fant

CJ's RB - Dameon Pierce

Texans Offense Ranking - 13th (Yards)
Texans Defense Ranking - 16th (Yards)

1st year QB who is throwing for about the same completion % but a lot more yards and has been sacked about the same amount.  CJ's Y/A and Y/C is much higher.  When I look at the players on offense for the Texans, I hardly say, "wow, so much more talent around CJ than what DJ has."

Houston played New England, Miami and the New Orleans Saints.

So what are the reasons the Texans have better passing results through 3 games with a 1st year QB?

Hi,

Three out of four of DJ's interceptions were balls that were thrown well, but after hitting his receiver's right in the hands, they were popped up right in the air and then picked off.

DJ has also faced two of the top defenses in the league, while CJ has not, that needs to be factored in.

It's a long season and we still have 14 more games to go, let's see how this transpires.

Quote from: Rambo89 on September 25, 2023, 10:54:10 AMBut the Giants did draft Barkley and did have him on offense.  We all saw what he became as an NFL player and the results it produced.  So I am not sure how drafting Parsons would have changed the Giants on the offensive side of the ball.

It wouldn't have changed the Giants on the offensive side of the ball, but it would have given them a future HOF player on the defensive side of the ball, filling a need at pass rusher, and keeping him away from the rival Cowboys who got him instead.

In hindsight I didn't mind the Barkley pick, I just wish Gettleman would have also drafted the other PSU standout in Micah Parsons.

It would have been awesome to have Barkley on offense, and Parsons on defense on the same team.

Parsons fell right to them, and they passed, so the blame is on them.

Quote from: Ed Vette on September 24, 2023, 07:57:08 PMI didn't read any remarks here or anywhere that put the blame of this game on DJ. Did you mean collectively all three games?

I think you made a clear point that the breaks aren't going their way and that also had an affect on the outcome.

Physicality, game plan, focus, injuries, tackling, bad luck, talent, play calling. You're spot on, it's a lot of things they need to work through.

Hi,

Its more the media and their take on things, especially the ridicule that came from the 49ers anonymous players.

Sometimes when you mock a player that may come back to bite you in the end, we will just have to see how this plays out.

They've got what 14 more games to go, let's see where they are at, at the halfway point.

This is not a knock-on Brock Purdy, but this is what I saw from him last night that doesn't show up in the stat sheet.

1st half

A) He throws a pass to his right mid-range, and was about to be intercepted by CB Adoree Jackson, but his TE knocked the ball away, bailing him out.

B) He throws a deep shot to the left sideline TD area, CB Deonte Banks has perfect coverage, and is about to intercept him for a second time, but the ball goes right through his hands.

C) He throws another ball behind Jennings, but his receiver actually catches it.

D) He throws another ball that is deflected in the air by Davidson at the line of scrimmage, but no Giants player is in the area to intercept it.

E) He throws a ball to Deebo, it hits him in his hands but the ball pops straight up in the air, and instead of being intercepted it falls right into Ronnie Bells hands for a completion.

F) He throws another deep ball to the end zone, but for some reason Darnay Holmes pulls up as it could have been intercepted for the 4th time that night.

He was 25/37 for 310 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 111.3 RTG

But honestly, he easily could have had 2-3 interceptions if it wasn't for the breaks he caught.

They also accumulated over 201 yards after the catch, which did show up on the stat sheet.

Paradoxically when Daniel Jones throws the ball to Waller, it hits him right in the hands but when he pops the ball up in the air, there were seven 49ers around to intercept it.

As Ed has already wisely brought out, the Giants didn't even give their running game a chance to nullify the pass rush and to keep the defense honest.

Defensively there is no question the 49ers are superior, as the Giants D has got to be one of the worst in the league right now, as they struggle just to stop the run.

My point in all of this, is that there are way more problems for the Giants then just putting all of the blame on DJ.

Curious your thoughts? 


 

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 24, 2023, 02:46:26 PMhttps://twitter.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1615016971963088899


https://twitter.com/AlexWilsonESM/status/1569063900116832256

Mighty,

I never like to embarrass or humiliate anyone, as I do think everyone deserves respect, but these two videos you posted could not have been more perfectly timed.

Nicely done!

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on January 24, 2023, 02:11:42 PMhttps://youtu.be/CqI-M-CnuUc

This was a horrible throw, and one that cannot be excused if one is a franchise guy

I understand what you are saying, however if you take a look DJ threw the ball when the WR was coming back to him, and Bradburry just timed the route perfectly, by jumping it.

On this interception I don't blame DJ too much, JB just made a great play.

Quote from: T200 on January 24, 2023, 08:39:28 AMDak and DJ both choked. Dak's was worse because, as you said, the teams were fairly matched.

The Giants were clearly overmatched talent-wise and definitely outcoached. Jones reverted back to last season where he was indecisive and shell-shocked.

Tim,

This sums it up perfectly, I agree with you.

Dak absolutely blew it, because if he played a clean game the Cowboys probably would have won that game, as their defense was incredible.

In DJ's case he also choked, but as you and Mighty brought out he was playing on an inferior team.

However even though that was the case, there were certain plays that you could see the Eagles were in his head, and he was not comfortable mentally.

A) On 2nd and 1 instead of just throwing the ball away, he runs out of bounds and loses 5 yards.
B) He tripped over his own lineman's feet not once but twice.
C) He overthrows a wide-open James which could have been a touchdown.
D) He underthrows Slayton by 5 yards on a go route which could have been another touchdown.
E) He overthrows Bellinger on an easy 5 yard out.

Him losing his contacts on the field wasn't his fault either, but that was the type of day it was for the GMEN.

Also, the Giants defense was absolutely atrocious especially on stopping the run, they gave up over 268 yards.

So even if DJ played a perfect game, they still wouldn't have won because they were outmatched talent wise and dominated physically at the point of attack.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 23, 2023, 10:12:19 AMIt wasn't Jones' fault they lost the game but he didn't play well in a do or die game and he lost some luster. The after game look on Daboll's face and his immediate comments had reality written all over it.

For Jones it will take a village...

This was my trepidation with him two years ago. He's worked hard and Daboll has masked some of his shortcomings but I see a lot of Dak Prescott in DJ.

I don't see them mortgaging the future for his services.

Ed,

This was a really well thought out post, which in my opinion was one of your best, and I agree with the village aspect.

As for Prescott he completely choked in the 49ers game, he threw two interceptions, but honestly it should have been at least three, and they came at the worst time.

In big games, he doesn't come through, and his play actually hurt his team even with a powerful defense.

Just finished watching the Bengals vs Bills game.

By the way great game by Burrow, and I can now see the difference between DJ and him.

Burrow usually gets rid of the ball in 2-3 seconds, he takes what the defense gives him.

He is a pocket passer and can win from the pocket. He's quite cerebral and spreads the ball around, I really like his game.

Difference yesterday with DJ is that after his first read is taken away, he was just standing there holding the ball too long and allowing the Eagles to pressure and sack him.

This is what he can learn from Burrow, is that after your first read is taken away, just dump it off to your RB and let him get you 5-10 yards on a simple swing pass.

Yesterday DJ was going for too much, he should have just taken what the defense was giving him.

Take those little 5-yard outs and dump offs and milk the clock, spread the ball around, while eating up the clock.

We will have to see if he can make that next jump into the top tier QB's or not? We will have to see how this transpires, especially against the top defenses in the league.

This is what he needs to work on next year if he wants to make the jump to becoming an elite QB. He still needs to learn how to spread the ball around and to get rid of the football quickly while winning from the pocket.

You can add two more analysts who are minimizing DJ's performance and criticizing him as well.

They are Chris Broussard and Rob Parker

Here is the link

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