Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Woody on October 16, 2023, 04:50:23 PMGood one. 


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Gee I don't know maybe that he is playing a team that is predicted to win the Super bowl this year, on the road and that he hasn't started a game in like 3 years. There's that. There is that the person who he's been backing up isn't exactly a TD machine in his own right. There is that. There is the fact that I didn't see constant 3 and outs and like no offense for the first time all season minus the second half of the Cardinals . IS THAT ANY CLEARER?

I think it should be obvious who should start. The person who managed a competitive game against one of the best teams in the NFL when everyone was predicting him getting injured behind an o-line and like a 4 TD blow-out. Vegas had the Giants + 15 points. But also made the offense look functional for this first time since I cannot remember.

He not only looked to play good behind an o-line that had the worst line-up in the season by moving Pugh to Left T., -- which everyone was predicting was IMPOSSIBLE TO LOOK GOOD BEHIND-- but managed to almost win the game.

no I used to though till I realized  same money as cable without TNT or something? or whatever same money so why not just use verizon fios (which I need for wifi anyway)

What is with Tyrod Taylor hate? This guy loses his starter job to Herbert—no shame in that — he plays like 7 snaps here and people want to like put him out to pasture.

Can we see this guy play some meaningful games first? He's on contract and one of the highest paid backups in the league.

I don't even get what were arguing .... so D Jones could be a better QB with better stats --in theory anyway-- if he was playing with T Hill or if he had Kelce as his TE?

OK great.So what? And Guess what?  That would hold true for like every starting QB in the NFL and even a lot of the back ups. So what is so special about D Jones then that you would want him on this team on a non rookie deal and playing without a Kelce or T Hill to throw to. If you are being honest the answer is there is nothing. There never was.

Also I love these arguments... like it is so easy to get a stud WR or great TE. "oh just draft one in the first round". Um didn't we do that with Evan Engram? Didn't we do that with K Toney? Didn't we sign several WR1 free agents to big contracts? How did that work out?

It really worked out well for other teams that got to pick these players up and actually get some production out of them . Oh but the have generational talent QBs and Hall of fame QBs throwing to them ? So again what is special about Jones?

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Game. Set. Match.

That's not to say that I don't think d jones could be effective laying on the dolphins and 49ers. He very well could and needs a team like that.

But for him to be here given the holes in the roster and not on a rookie deal makes no sense .

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 27, 2022, 01:24:38 PMBecause filling in the holes in the roster is of more value than the marginal advantage an aging, inconsistent, and injury prone Barkley provides over the kinds of RBs you can get for modest FA money or middle round draftees. 

As for the defense, they are 27th in giving up yards and 20th in points allowed.  Long term, that's a problem.  And while I'm not the biggest PFF fan, Dexter is putting up elite grades almost every game, while Barkley has put up some stinkers, including 7 games where he averaged under 4 ypc, two of which were under 3 yards per carry.

I don't think so. It sounds like you are using 21 st century NFL philosophy and analytics and trying to argue in terms of absolutes. All that BS goes out the window when you have a dynamic and explosive player like Barkley; especially one you can tag for now and worry about it later.

What would the Giants record be without Barkley's 30-40 yard runs down the stretch in several games before the bye week that resulted in wins?

How many fewer points would this team have scored without Barkley and if they had some marginal back like a Fournette on their team?

And you want consistency? What you expect him to do that every game and run for 160 yards every game? That is a tall order in the NFL . This isn't high school football were talking about here.

Also I'd like to see the numbers when this team actually has a QB that can pass and score more to give the D a little more rest before we start talking about their numbers and signing Dex to any kind of money.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 27, 2022, 01:02:23 PMFunny thing, I feel like I am one of the defenders of DJ, and I've probably made the strongest case for letting him (and Barkley) move on while they focus their CAP space on extending their stars like Dexter and Thomas, and picking up mid-pay-range FAs at lower value position like ILB and IOL, and maybe one big FA signing if there's someone they really like at one of our myriad positions of need.

I can never make and sense of the letting Barkley go arguments. How is this team going to score any points?

And why is it some package deal? Barkley stays since he clearly the best player on this team/ the focal point of the offense/ the only player who who has any kind of breakout plays and you can tag him for relatively little cap space.

All this talk about Sexy dex and linebackers is trying to get too cute. This defense is not a problem. And dexter is a good to have 2 down player; nothing near as important as barkley.

You want to know the really interesting thing about Jones fans. They were already emotionally invested in this guy, and are hardly sincere in caims like...

"Shoen will use the final X games as an evaluation period" or "let's see how the season plays out"

They already are and were convinced Jones should be the QB here and then they go looking for reasons why. And it goes without saying that they have excuses at the ready.

You can't argue with them about things like Baker looking great the other day ; is a free agent; and makes much more sense to build around than pay the same money to Jones on a whim and prayer.Or that Daniel Jones according to his numbers is really like a bottom tier QB.

You will never convince them because Jones to them is what a QB is supposed to be and look like and act like. The fact that he really isn't a very good QB is secondary.

It's too bad I was not around here for Eli ....Anti - Eliers I have seen --who didn't like him --didn't really like his mannerisms and because he would always blame his receivers when there was a communication problem, and they thought he whined too much. So that is why to them Jones is a better QB than Eli. Just like Baker is not better than jones either (even though he clearly is)

You know what is strange to think about -- how it was always 5 cents . I do not remember when it started in NY but minimum since like the 90s . You would think they would have raised it, but there are still people who I think make a good part of their living from collecting cans.

It is just nasty to look at some people would go throgh for the 5 cents ....can't helop but wonder if some of the discarded bottles from a moving car were really meant for a street sweeper to clean up

Some of these might have ran into the 80s as I do not remember 70s tv as I was too young. But I do remember Coke singing commercials ; the 7up guy ; Mikey liking it; and the native American guy crying.

However, I wonder if they were in fact different commercials but use the same themes and songs.

Interesting that BK is still singing about having it your way. I don't remember what they were like in the 90s.

Sorry.

So it looks like NFL.com is using either QBR to be Rating and not actual QBR or just a mistake in general. But whatever ... that just goes to show that no one really cares
Here is an example from the Texans game:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Kansas+City+Chiefs+vs+Houston+Texans+Sunday%2c+December+18%2c+2022&FORM=S00035

It was a lot more fun around here without some xxxx who is trying to prove he's right all the time

Just going from the early Sunday games which I still contend all the QBs were better --and I don't use QBR -- since all I need is 2 eyes , an objective attitude , and not to mention yards and TDs

Texans / Chiefs
Davis Mills QBR 95.9 ; 2 TDs incidentally
Mahomes QBR 125.7 336 yards; 2 TDs

Steelers / Panthers
Darnold QBR 119.4 225 yards 1 TD
Trubisky 108.9 QBR 179 yards

Jets/Lions
Zak Wilson QBR 99.9 317 yards 2 TDs 1 int
Jared Goff QBR 95 252 yards 1 TD

People use advanced stats for other positions because it is the only way to counter the false narrative that Jones is this good QB who is being held back to his receivers or oline play.





 

Simply amazing to me of all the current and former sports stars over the years that have come and gone in NY: Eli, Jacob Degrom , Aaron Judge , Patrick Ewing Charles Oakley; all of these guys with the exception of maybe Oakley were championship caliber players that fan bases were either apathetic about them leaving or I talk to some Yankee fans and they didn't want to re-sign Judge because of his play off performance.

But Daniel Jones holy! heaven forbid you want to move on from some guy who I cannot think of one starting QB from yersterday's 1:00 eastern time games that I would not rather have on the Giants including the milf man Zak Wilson. I watched these guys on NFL network -- where they show multiple games -- all of them -- make throws where I was like " wow I have not seen Daniel Jones make a throw like that!"

But for some reason no one wants to give up on a guy where it so obvious without Barkley playing like a Hall of famer and without a defense getting constant pressure and causing turnovers and defensive TDs -- this guy really sucks and is incapable of winning anything. He had all the time in the world yesterday--I don't think he got sacked once--yet sure enough he was throwing 90mph fastballs from 5 yards away that no one can catch and not looking down field at all.