Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: AZGiantFan on March 21, 2024, 02:10:24 PMParris's role at WR never came to be because he stank.

I wonder what the coaches saw or didn't see in practice which led then to only use Campbell in a handful of hopeless 3-yard hitch plays. I don't think the guy went 10 yards past the line of scrimmage all season.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 21, 2024, 03:16:00 PMI heard an ESPN Eagles beat reporter proclaim the Eagles are getting a "Pro Bowl running back" by signing Barkley.  Would you agree?

It's just lazy sensationalist writing. I remember Jason Sehorn being referred to as a pro bowl cornerback just after his injury even though he didn't make the pro bowl.

As fair as Barkley goes its marginal at best.

I'll never knock the Barkley selection. The Giants thought and hoped they were getting the next Barry Sanders, an electrifying player who could dominate, frequently create plays from nothing, and had the undeniable potential to score every time he touched the football. Forget for a second that he happened to be a running back. Those guys that can go the distance any time the ball is in their hands are rare and it doesn't matter if they line up at tailback, wide receiver, tight end, or fullback. I also happened to believe that Saquon Barkley's character weighed heavily into his evaluation as the Giants were a bit of a mess at the time. Barkley was almost assuredly doomed to fail to meet the impossibility high expectations, especially after the "touched by the hand of God" comment.

Unfortunately the Giants didn't get the next Barry Sanders.

There was always a bit of unspoken toxicity surrounding Barkley even when he was playing well  Lots folks wanted one of the quarterbacks or just flat out hated Gettleman so much that they couldn't separate the two. It never went away and any time Barkley stumbled or was less than perfect you were going to hear it.

Another Jerry Reese blunder.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 13, 2024, 07:24:29 PMI was agreeing with your assessment and that they should get better at drafting guys late because elite teams don't typically pay for RB

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 13, 2024, 07:24:29 PMI was agreeing with your assessment and that they should get better at drafting guys late because elite teams don't typically pay for RB talent.

10-4. 

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 12, 2024, 04:48:28 PMJust look at the elite teams, they aren't doing anything special in finding backs, they just have an Oline and Quarterback to pair with their 5th rd Rb that sets them up for success.  With the right line and Qb most Rbs will produce. So why not pay the oline and Qb and rotate cheap backs

OK I'm confused. What does this have to do with what I said? I'm not arguing that we should have retained Barkley, nor am I insisting that you need to spend premium draft capital on a running back.

But you need to draft players. I don't share this opinion that you can just stick any bum back there regardless of your line play or quarterback. That's a position where you need a guy that can play beyond the xs and os some of the time. 

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2024, 04:37:24 PMYou do realize great teams dont pay running backs right? Paying him 40 million for 900 yards and being injured 4 games a year would have been dumb.

Unfortunately the Giants haven't been very good at drafting them either. Since Ahmad Bradshaw was taken in 2007, the Giants have drafted Andre Brown, Da'Rel Scott, David Wilson, Michael Cox, Andre Williams, Paul Perkins, Wayne Gallman, Saquon Barkley, Gary Brightwell, and recently Eric Gray.

When you draft like that you start seeing names like Peyton Hillis in your backfield. 

Outside of Barkley none of these guys have been anything better than mediocre with the exception of Wilson (incomplete game, prone to turnovers, eventually lost permanently due to medical) and Gallman (seemed to be in the coach's doghouse.)

It got so bad that the team brought in a mostly washed up Rashad Jennings in 2014 who managed to hang around for a few seasons.

The Giants go into the grocery store of the 2024 draft hungry. Never a great position. Now they add diminutive Devin Singletary to an existing backfield of underwhelming third down "specialists."

They had better get 1000% better at finding these "good running backs in the later rounds" that I keep hearing folks blather on about. 

Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on February 13, 2024, 03:17:34 PMI'm old enough to remember Lombardi endorsing his longtime assistant Phil Bengston as his replacement. After 3 years and a 20-21-1 record he was fired. Served as interim HC in NE and went 1-4

Pretty sure Parcells recommended Ray The Nameless.

Quote from: LennG on February 12, 2024, 08:25:38 PMAs good as Spags is, I remember many threads here on how we need to move on; Spags had lost it. etc. etc.

When you have the players it is easier to be a great DC, when you don't, well, we know that from experience.

This board couldn't run Spags out of town fast enough.

"The league has caught up to him."

"He's not a great DC because he needs good lineman to be successful."

Ridiculous stuff.

Quote from: T200 on January 09, 2024, 03:52:46 PMMakes sense. He's a proven commodity though. Curious as to what it would take to make that switch personnel-wise.

I just don't see the Giants having an appetite for that much change, especially since we switched back from a 4-3 just a few seasons ago. We've got to stop the fishtailing. 

Quote from: T200 on January 09, 2024, 03:22:59 PMNobody wants Ron Rivera as DC???

Ron Rivera is a 4-3 guy who doesn't employ a lot of blitzing. It would be a pretty significant switch from Wink. 

Quote from: PSUBeirut on January 09, 2024, 12:58:47 PMI'd love to hang on to Tyrod, Simmons, and McKinney.  The rest, not so much.  I am 50-50 on Barkley.  If he can sign a reasonable, low cap hit deal (which wouldn't be the franchise tag), I want him back.  Mostly because it's not clear at all that we "hit" on Gray in the mid rounds, so if Barkley walks that's a glaring need to fill.

Other than Barkley, take a look at the running backs we've drafted since Ahmad Bradshaw. It ain't pretty. David Wilson probably being the best had to retire early due to health, and he was really more of a third down specialist by skillset.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 08, 2024, 06:22:10 PMIf he goes to the Rams is that McVay giving the reach around?

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Quote from: files58 on January 08, 2024, 04:41:55 PMHere's a WILD thought. Bill Belichick. Here Bill the defense is yours. At 70 years old it may suit his needs now. Daboll worked for and won SB's with him. Instant credibility and respect.

At his age Bill might actually like coming back to the Giants with the only responsibility being to do what he does best. The problem is that I don't see him ever being comfortable as an assistant at this point. And every time Daboll has a bad showing, the rumbling will start about how his successor is waiting in the wings. Nope, won't happen. Nice feel good fantasy though.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 08, 2024, 03:49:52 PMI agree; firing the ST Coordinator and O-line coach was justified.  Wink quitting on you is less than ideal as the baseline is very high (and the disruption of the scheme will cause issues), so replacing Wink will be more like trying to get a DC as good rather than a clear opportunity for an upgrade.

How about Ron Rivera? Of course his style is a 180 from Wink's but fishtail philosophy from year to year seems to be the Giants' MO.