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Quote from: Philosophers on June 16, 2024, 11:43:32 AMI've read it 3x and not sure if you are asking who we want or who we think will have a breakout.  I chose the former which for me means Evan Neal.  He drives the season for us.  His plays guarantees DJ will be at least top 16-18 QBs.  If he is bad DJ is in bottom quartile.

I read it as want.   I agree, a breakout season by Neal would go a long way towards a good season.

I will say this: there is the potential that this WR group could prove to be special.  The Giants drafted an elite prospect to combine with two young day-two prospects who have high ceilings.   The WR corps could go from one of he worst in the league to top 10

Quote from: Painter on June 16, 2024, 10:59:24 AMIt might have something to do with coaching, but it's just as likely related to having better talent on either side, and/or at more comfortable position. In any case, does it really matter going forward unless, of course, we are habitual fault-finders.

Cheers!

I would suggest it only really matters in terms of expectations.  If coaching was the primary issue, the hiring of new coaches could result in significant improvements in this year's O-line.  If the coaching wasn't as bad as the firings suggest, then it's possible we will not see all that much improvement from adding 1 or 2 serviceable vets and a few more JAG level vets

Quote from: kingm56 on June 15, 2024, 09:01:40 PMJoe, your comments suggest sacks are solely caused by poor blocking, and the QB is merely a victim?  I typically agree with you; so, I would appreciate your thoughts. 

PFF has a metric where they assign a percentage of sacks for which the quarterback at least shares some of the blame.  If I filter 2023 for 20% to eliminate QBs with very few snaps like Rodgers and Richarson, DJ was 6th highest with 20%.  What I found interesting is that QBs with greater percentages included Russel Wilson, Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.  Not sure what to make of that.

As for 2022 DJ was 13th with 16.7%


Note: Offensive players may share responsibility for an allowed pressure (e.g. Defender splits a double-team).

Quote from: Giant Obsession on June 16, 2024, 10:15:09 AMOn the bright side, apparently our GM can assess free agent Oline  talent with some degree of success.  Too bad it ultimately does not lead to OUR success.

Quote from: Giant Obsession on June 16, 2024, 10:15:09 AMBlaming the Oline coaching is convenient no doubt.

BUT

To me it really rests at the top with another rookie HC.  You can not tell me that with all his worldly football knowledge he can not see when some things are amiss on his roster, like possibly incorrect usage of personnel. Especially in an area that has been our #1 problem and brings the rest of the offense to a grinding halt way too much.

Until we get this Oline thing right we ain't going nowhere.....again.   And how do you properly assess our QB talent while this thorn stays stuck in our body ?? 

On the bright side, apparently our GM can assess free agent Oline  talent with some degree of success.  Too bad it ultimately does not lead to OUR success.

Mike,

This is why I hope it was all in the coaching.  The offensive line has been terrible for over a decade.  The line (especially in the early part of the season) was beyond terrible last year despite quite the Giants investing heavy amounts of draft capital into the position.  Maybe the coaching turns things around, but until proven otherwise, there will be a concern that the Giants wasted all that draft capital in 2022 and 2023 by drafting the wrong players.

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Quote from: AZGiantFan on June 15, 2024, 03:47:29 PMThat sounds excellent.  Although you wonder why other teams didn't go after him and drive up the price.

Rich,

That's always a question at this stage of the game.  It's possible he thought he was worth more than this, and no team met his asking price, and now he was settling for a lesser deal.  He certainly seems like the sort of serviceable CB most teams wouldn't mind having on their roster

If I had to bet, I would take the over.  I have a feeling that this team will exceed expectations.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on June 15, 2024, 01:25:52 PMNabers vs bank's every day will only make each other better.

iron sharpens iron

That will be welcome news if it continues to remain true this season

Joe, is it really a good comparison to compare the accomplishments of a 22-year-old woman's college career (she is just coming into the WNBA) against the college and professional accomplishments of a 38-year-old woman?  If anything, when you consider they seem pretty similar in volume; it speaks to just how special Catlin Clark is.

Quote from: Philosophers on June 15, 2024, 12:15:17 PMCandace Parker's awards including PRO.

3× WNBA champion (2016, 2021, 2023)
WNBA Finals MVP (2016)
2× WNBA MVP (2008, 2013)
7× WNBA All-Star (2011, 2013, 2014, 2017, 2018, 2021, 2022)
WNBA All-Star Game MVP (2013)
7× All-WNBA First Team (2008, 2012–2014, 2017, 2020, 2022)
3× All-WNBA Second Team (2009, 2015, 2018)
2× WNBA All-Defensive Second Team (2009, 2012)
WNBA Rookie of the Year (2008)
WNBA All-Rookie Team (2008)
WNBA Defensive Player of the Year (2020)
WNBA assists leader (2015)
3× WNBA rebounding leader (2008, 2009, 2020)
2× WNBA blocks leader (2009, 2012)
3× WNBA peak performer (2008, 2009, 2020)
WNBA 20th Anniversary Team (2016)
WNBA 25th Anniversary Team (2021)
5× Russian National League champion (2011–2015)
4× Russian Cup winner (2011–2014)
EuroLeague champion (2013)
2× NCAA champion (2007, 2008)
2× NCAA Tournament MOP (2007, 2008)
2× AP Female Athlete of the Year (2008, 2021)
2× USBWA Player of the Year (2007, 2008)
Naismith College Player of the Year (2008)
2× John R. Wooden Award (2007, 2008)
Wade Trophy (2007)
2× Honda Sports Award for basketball (2007, 2008)
Honda-Broderick Cup (2008)
Gatorade National Player of the Year (2004)

How come TV viewership is not up with what she accomplished?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on June 15, 2024, 12:02:21 PMThere must be other upper body strength testing than just bench reps at the combine though, no?

That is really the only standard and available direct measure of strength.  Teams no doubt quiz prospects and college staffs for things like how much the squat or maybe deadlift.   Beyond that, scouts view the game tape to gauge their functional on field strength.  If memory serves, the book on JMS coming out was he wasn't the biggest, strongest, or most athletic (although he wasn't deficient), but he was smart, hard working, and high character.   As mentioned, he was a high floor, modest ceiling type.