Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 29, 2024, 02:45:38 PM...when Daboll took over... all the offensive skill position players talked about how challenging and difficult it was to learn Daboll's offense.

Rich: All good offenses are hard to learn. Daboll's offense relies more on WR's/TE's/RB's doing the right thing as much as it relies on the QB making the right read and correct run-pass decision. 

One-read offenses are not predetermined. Although the QB is going only look in one place, it's up to him (at the line of scrimmage) to determine WHERE he should make that one look.

The decision rests on first deciding whether to run or pass. If he elects to pass, then he decides where to look.

It's all based on where the defenders line up and where the QB believes they'll be after the snap. NOTHING about this is simple, easy or uncomplicated. That's why they want and need a smart QB. Except on designed running plays, if the QB in Daboll's offense does anything other than hand the ball off or throw a pass, it means the QB read wrong or guessed wrong.

What makes Daboll's offense difficult is the same thing that makes it successful... it's hard to learn... which means it's hard for defenders to learn, too.

Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 30, 2024, 07:06:28 AMI tend to lean toward the WR.  The Giant's roster needs to start adding red-chip and blue-chip players.   The team can't be so QB-focused as they pass up an ideal chance to do so.

Admittedly, if a QB the Giants like falls to them at 6, I wouldn't fault them (because they believe that QB could be blue or red chip.

Still, if they go WR for the next few seasons, it will be easier to develop a QB, or any QB behind center will have an easier time of it.

Rich: I agree about leaning toward WR, but (as DB said) not necessarily because they should.

I think the odds of the one QB (whomever it is) that they would take falling to them are extremely low.

The odds of a WR whom they probably would take a better, but IMO not much better, UNLESS four QB's go above Pick Six, in which case they'll see two of the top three WR's there, and the only question will be whether they really like either of them (I'd say the odds of THAT are fairly high).

Bob

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 30, 2024, 01:19:34 AMIf Schoen drafts a QB at 6 wouldn't it be difficult to fire him and Daboll because they could say we have a QB of our choice not one that was handed to us and we need time to develop him?

BDave: That's an interested aspect to this year's draft that had not occurred to me.

I think you're right, but I don't think Schoen/Daboll would draft a QB for that reason.

If they're worried about retaining their positions, they should be certain to draft a player who can help NOW.

Maybe they DO see a QB who can help now, and if so then they should/will take him and let him compete for the opening-day starting job (especially if Jones' health looks to make it unlikely he'll be ready on Day One.

But IMO the odds are that a high-first-round player is more likely to be at another position than QB, because the Giants have so many holes, multiple positions (other than QB) could choose who'll make an immediate difference, so I don't think they'll ever "force" a QB pick under any circumstances.

Bob

Quote from: Painter on March 29, 2024, 11:23:48 AMQuarterback- as it would be premature and, in most cases, too costly. More particularly, however, it's McCarthy

Larry: Nice post. Like you, I'll be hopeful (and maybe even thrilled) if they DO take a QB with Pick Six, because it will mean people who's lives are pro football (and who stand to get fired if they're wrong) truly believe in the guy they picked, which can't hurt for a team not known for fielding a dominant (or even good) offense. Bob

Quote from: madbadger on March 29, 2024, 12:34:35 PMIt would be helpful to know who is saying they doubt he can play the X in the NFL and why. Everyone has an opinion, myself included, but when it comes to draft prospects 99% of them are either uninformed or ill informed. Those concerns could be well founded but he played the X at LSU and played it quite well in the conference with the most athletic corners.

madb: I was not referring to any of us.  It was a few (variously) so-called draft "experts" whose evaluations I read as well as a few guys in videos Rich (Mighty) posted here over the past few months. Bob

Quote from: LennG on March 28, 2024, 09:07:19 PMhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/home-and-garden/15-things-people-do-that-scream-i-m-old/ss-BB1igSP7?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=0fa6ce382db24d25bd8a16e66f1e700a&ei=20

 I know I am old, but this reinforced it. I believe I do at least 12 of these things, AND like that fact.

Lenn: Face it, you're not just old... you're ancient.   

Luckily, you have a lovely younger wife to look at (instead of a mirror).

Please say hi to her for me.

Bob

Quote from: brownelvis54 on March 29, 2024, 11:04:16 AMDoes anyone NOT believe in Daniel Jones as much as me?

brownE: I'm still with you, although not as strongly in the Jones camp as in prior years. 

At this point in time, Jones MUST take a share of blame (although there's plenty to go around) for under-performance during his career.

Also, there are medical reasons to strongly consider moving on (in my opinion with no inside info on his health).

Bob

Ed: Nice post. You may have been the most accurate among all of us in assessing (or predicting) these types of QB draft issues over the years, so I do hope you're correct for two reasons:

(1) if Giants want a QB, it's IMO more likely than in an ordinary year that they'll hit rather than miss.
(2) if Giants are just bluffing (or just doing their "due diligence" at a very important position) there IMO will be almost all QB's taken ahead of them, which gives them essentially a higher first-round draft pick, which cannot prove to be a bad thing.

I don't think I've done badly either, but this year we're (in a few respects) at odds, because I'm sticking with my view that only one (at most) of the current grab-bag of potential high first-rounders will turn out to be better than a backup QB over the long haul.

Bob

Quote from: madbadger on March 29, 2024, 11:51:53 AMNabers is an X receiver and Robinson a slot. IMHO they're perfectly complimentary and one of the reasons why I hope the Giants draft him if they can't find a quarterback worth the 6th pick.

madb: You may be correct that Nabers will be able to be an X in the NFL, but I'm uncertain about that. And from what I've read, I'm not alone.  That doesn't mean you're wrong, but (importantly, IMO) it means you don't take a guy that high in the draft who has that type of question-mark. The first example that occurs to me is drafting a guy who excelled in college as a left tackle and putting him at right tackle (Evan Neal?). Bob

Maybe Lock was a bad fit the offense Broncos wanted to run (or simply not a good "second" for the starting QB.

MY point is that it doesn't necessarily mean he is dumb.

IMO, it's much more likely he simply was in the "wrong place" at the wrong time.

Bob

"Impressive athletic numbers" don't count for much.  Ask (for example) Johnny Unitas.

NFL QB is about smarts, poise, class and leadership. 

Maybe he should try out for the Olympics instead.   

Bob

For a team in the Giants' position, there must a good reason NOT to take a QB (as there must be if they take one).

By "position" I mean draft slot & the current status of their QB situation. I read nothing extra into this report.

The Giants are known for spending lots of money on the draft and have lot of people involved in draft preparation.

Bob

Lenn: I don't like Penix at all, but if the Giants take him (or any other QB) that high, I will fall back on the view that they know more about it than I do, even though I have a half-decent record on the issue of 1st-round QB's. In any event, I am certain that they will believe they're getting a bargain if they do such a thing. I'd prefer them to get a QB later in the draft (if at all) and try to get a guy who fell due to poor coaching rather than poor character.  IMO there's no position where character matters more then NFL QB.  Bob

Quote from: squibber on March 27, 2024, 11:05:23 AMSince it's slow here I wonder if this sounds familiar to anyone.

When my mother got engaged, my father's two aunts told my mother she is not good enough for him because she is cross eyed.

When I got engaged to my current wife, my mother told me she is not happy. It was frustrating because I was 38 at the time. Did she want me to risk not finding love just to meet her standards?

My son got engaged last Christmas and my wife is unhappy about his choice. She feels he could do better. There are a number of reasons she feels that way. Whenever she comes over, she is quiet and seems like she doesn't want to be here. She only speaks when spoken to. She is not perfect but she is a good person and they get along well. I'm more open minded than my wife.

squib: Every mom worth her salt feels that way about her children. It's not a thing to worry about, IMO. Just try to encourage her to talk only to you about it, never to your son. Sometimes moms get it wrong, but sometimes they hit the nail on the head. Bob

Great discussion.  I highly recommend everyone read this entire thread, not just post your view. Bob