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All year we've seen Jones make bad reads to throw short to covered guys. Opponents have mocked this tendency. So the chart backs up what we've seen on film. Pretending this doesn't happen seems like folly to me. And then we have the plays where he just can't hit guys who are open, which happened multiple times this week as well. He has been the biggest problem.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 09, 2023, 02:51:54 PMI saw this Tweet, but I didn't post it.  I have no idea where or how he derived his data.   I questioned the value of "throw to the open man" as plays have structures.  There are progressions.  Plays often have decoys, and I am not sure how the data compiled accounted for decoys on plays.

I also don't know when the operation was determined.   I also wonder about the shorter throws where a man is covered in the zone, but the defender has some separation.  However, if the QB throws the ball, the defender breaks on the route for an INT.  I don't know how that was all gathered.

I looked at the author's background.  He is an intern at PFF, has done work on sports betting, and his education is in economics. 

So that's why I passed on this.   

In the short term, a Bears win is better. But I think Chicago has more games they'll probably win so a Panthers win might be better.

If you get a top QB, your team doesn't have to fill all the holes. Eli took a very mediocre team to a Super Bowl championship in 2011. Mahomes is carrying a Chiefs team with big problems at WR. Burrow took a Bengals team with a horrid OL to the Super Bowl. We are going to take a big jump next year if we get the right QB.

Jones was never in the same area code as a prospect as Maye. Jones was graded as a 2nd round prospect by most. We reached for him and were mocked for doing so. Maye has been on the radar as a top prospect since his first college game.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 09, 2023, 02:07:40 PMDgood: Maye is a lot more on my "radar" than he was before you and other members began mentioning him a lot.

I follow all college QB's as much as humanly possible.

I'm very cautious and mindful of the old adage - once burned, twice shy. 

He and Jones play in the same league. That particular factor has become more important to my personal evaluation of college QB's over the past five years than it was previously (based on which have been successful and which have not... the NFL game has changed rather rapidly during that relatively short amount of time).

Bob

I'd expect Jones to be the backup next year as it will be hard to move that salary.

If we actually have pick one or two, we can get two really good prospects in round 2. Not having to trade up for that QB will be a huge help. I'd expect an OL and Edge prospect in round 2 in this scenario. Unless a really good WR drops into range, which is very possible.

I was wrong about McKinney. I now think he's gone.

Short term a Chicago win is better. But I think long term, a Carolina win is better. Chicago has a bunch of winnable games left.

I think all of Caleb Williams, Drake Maye and JJ McCarthy would do so. Though Drake Maye is my favorite of the bunch. I have McCarthy third. Any of these guys will be better than Jones from day 1 and could be top level QBs by year 2. I think we compete for the playoffs next year with these guys.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 09, 2023, 01:37:04 PMDgood: Can you suggest a QB who's going to turn it around quicker than most people think?

It could happen, even with the current offensive line and WR's, but it's doubtful.

Until the OL stabilizes & Giant draft (or sign as a free agent) a truly elite WR (or Hyatt becomes that guy), I don't think it's likely.

Bob

A good QB can throw with anticipation even when the OL is not good. The offense moved better with Tyrod for this reason. Just look at Burrow with the Bengals. They made the Super Bowl with a piss poor OL. There are plays to be made that Jones just doesn't see. And when he sees them, he doesn't throw accurately enough. Time for excuses are over. Draft a QB.

I think this underplays the QB situations of all the teams in the mix.

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Our WRs are getting open. The scheme works. Our QB play is pitiful. This is going to turn around quicker than most people think if we get the QB.

https://x.com/throwthedamball/status/1722617033823535515?s=20

I am higher on them than you. We won't know who's correct for a few years.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 08, 2023, 09:44:19 PMThis class isn't comparable to 2004 but it is comparable to 2020 where Burrow, Herbert, Tua, and Hurts were taken.

I just don't see how anyone can watch the Qb play we've had for 5 years now and say yeah give me more of that. I get Jones is a great guy but he's a pedestrian Qb. The NFL is a passing league and Jones has never been and never will be a high volume thrower. Tyrod Taylor played better football in 2023 than Daniel Jones. That sentence should never ever be the truth if Jones is a franchise QB.

Holding onto a bad Qb for 5 years might have been ok in the 80s but man the Giants have to get with the times so that we can actually start winning. Qbs maybe get 2-3 years to prove they have it REGARDLESS of talent around them and then they are gone.

Gotta start drafting qbs immediately until we get one that changes our fortunes because it definitely will never be Daniel Jones.

I see a trade where the Giants eat some money to facilitate.