Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 14, 2023, 10:23:34 AMTim: That's easy.  If the draft were today, I'd fight through even YOU to get to the podium. lol

No one knows what will happen tomorrow, let along six months from now. If I change my mind I'll let you know.

In the meantime, the Giants are still kicking themselves for what they believe to have been unfair treatment of Jones (i.e., not giving him an OL and an elite WR to work alone with him and Barkley). Until they change their collection minds about that situation, they will not draft a high-1st-round QB, unless their scouts/coaches/GM all agree that they would be passing up the "Next Peyton/Elway/Brady" (or some other equivalent talent).

Bob

It's Mara who is kicking himself, he said it. However his cash register chimes each and every day regardless who is at QB. The people getting kicked are the fans. I hope that this latest failure both the Giants as a whole and the Jones experiment has Mara finally letting those he hired do their jobs without interference. Maybe the latter was part of the compromise for signing Jones which included the two year out. 

Everyone is talking Williams and Maye, probably rightly so. All the hype though does cloud the picture. I'm looking for college QB's that have the skills, raw material that can be refined/developed into a starting/winning/franchise type QB. I've taken notice of Brady Cook from Missouri.

Daboll(and Schoen) inherited a flawed at best roster and cap hell. He coaxed the best he could last year out of a QB from Duke who was drafted by a GM who would try to win the Indy 500 with an Edsel. The contract given to Jones was a compromise between Mara and his new leadership. Thus the two year out built in. I don't have proof of this but reading between the lines. Mara won't learn from his mistakes at least he hasn't at the time of this writing. Why? No matter what the Giants' record is the team makes money, and increases in value. He will never feel the financial pain he should for putting out this inferior product year after year. B/t/w I've been a diehard since 1965(9 yrs. old), a few weeks ago I compiled a W-L regular season record since then. They are 420-474. They are a historically losing franchise despite the four trophies. The one constant during that span of time is the Mara family. Every new coach/regime particularly one that comes from an offense background, and has vast experience being mentored by Masters of the profession should have their own QB. Period. McAdoo(remember him) wanted/pleaded to move up and draft Mahomes. Nah said Mara we've got Eli. EVERYONE knew Eli was on the 17th hole of an 18 hole career, but nah. Bill had Phil, Tom had Eli. Brian will rightfully get his QB. Then we'll see........

Wow, talk about a public execution......(my mind's eye just flipped to the scene in Blazing Saddles where the "doomed" and his horse were hung together)

50. The game in unbettable. They lost the opener at home by 40 with a full complement or close to it. Now on the road at 2-7 with a laundry list of injuries, AND Tommy effing DeVito at QB. Plus Dallas is now at home coming off a tough divisional loss. This gets ugly early.

The race is on for the bottom. Based on recent past performance one would think that both DeVito and Barkley(Matt) have a limited "shelf" life eventually leaving the QB role to one of us. I don't see the Giants winning another game which will include the carnage this coming Sunday in big D. So that leaves us at 2-15(ouch), and if the Bears, and Cardinals outlose us mazel tov to them on their accomplishment. So where does that leave Schoen & Daboll Inc.? First, notice how silent Mara is. We can hope that after he wipes himself with the paper that his compromise contract(2 yr out) to Jones is written on he tells Schoen & Daboll Inc. I'll hold up my end of the bargain and get out of your way, you have free reign. We can all now exhale. I am as an amateur scout now somewhat less enamored with the prohibitive favorite 1-2 QB picks. One would have to think that S&D will have a 3rd and 4th choice of QB that they feel can be developed. It's not what they've done in college(hype and all), but where Daboll thinks a prospect has the right tools he can help develop. Think Brock Purdy per se. If we land on #3 either trade out to no lower than 6 or 7 for a boatload of picks, or pluck Marvin Harrison Jr., and get your QB later. I love draft capital, and draft picks. They spell HOPE for me, and frankly that's all we have right now.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on November 06, 2023, 11:32:59 AMYou don't think that Mara is the reason that DJ was given every opportunity and ultimately signed to an extension?

"We did everything we could to ruin the kid" ??

To me, strongly suggesting that they give DJ the QB which is the most important position on the team every opportunity; is a major meddle in my book.


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No doubt in my mind the contract given to DJ was a compromise between Mara, and Schoen/Daboll. Thus the two year out. DJ gets compensated, and then he's gone. I believe he has taken his last snap as a Giant.

Why should things change? The way to shock Mara into acting, or just getting the f out of the way is the result of all this losing having a negative impact on the bottom line. The price for trotting out 3rd, 4th , and fifth stringers should be a financial loss. Regardless if they go 2-15 or 15-2 they're going to make a pile of money. The question should be put to Mara thusly, hey John suppose you have a subscription to the Philharmonic, and they trot out the 4th violinist as Concert Master, the conductor is a nut with a wand, and the guy playing piano had his latest gig in the Port Authority subway station. Would you go, and spend money? Free parking, a $1,000 refund to all seat license owners, and a reduction in ticket prices is a good place to start. He needs to feel pocket pain to effect a change. How many companies would go out of business for putting forth such a terrible product? B/t/w this losing is not new. Several weeks ago I compiled a regular season W-L record since 1965. They were at that time 420-474. Despite the four SB wins, and their status as a flagship franchise they are a historically losing organization.

We need 2 QB's. A starter and a backup. I/m/o Daniel Jones has taken his last snap as a NY Giant. We have Tommy effing DaVito as our QB, a Northern NJ metaphor. We need the first seven picks in the draft to approach mediocrity. 1966 redux.

You do know we are headed for what's mentioned at 1:47 on.             

He rants. He repeats the same point in three different ways. He says stuff that we already know. Then a commercial. There's nothing there.

Quote from: Painter on October 30, 2023, 10:01:41 AMGood Gosh! Talk about fickle and rash...get a grip! Snap your fingers, get someone better. That should be easy for a team which has had 4 HCs and just 2 winning seasons and single (last season) PO win in a decade.

No excuses but before we cut our wrists, how about fielding a healthy starting QB behind something better than a Division 2 Oline? In any event, it shouldn't be too hard to get Joe Judge to again leave the 2-6 Patriots.

Cheers!

Not just this decade. A few weeks ago I compiled a regular season W-L record since I became a fan in 1965. They are 420-474 during that span. Despite the 4 SB's the Giants are a historically sub-500 team, and not by a little. Given all that I have seen since 65' yesterday did not shock. Daboll for 59:59 managed to bring the Giants to the brink of victory despite fielding a patchwork at best OL, and a H.S. QB. Tommy effing DeVito, a North Jersey metaphor was behind center. Brings back memories of Tom Kennedy in 66'.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 28, 2023, 10:56:23 AMI'm not going to create a thread for this because we have had enough Jones threads to this point, so I'll just ask my question here.

Does this latest Jones neck injury and the fact that he has now missed multiple games in four out of his five seasons in the NFL get you to a point where you now no longer view him as a viable long term option purely on that basis alone, regardless of what you think of his play on the field or his potential play in the future? Or do you think he has largely been unlucky and not well enough protected, and you're fine gambling on him (1) staying healthier in the future and (2) playing better in the future?

He's done here. The injuries, especially twice in the neck plus the Daboll tossing the Surface told me that this coach doesn't see the progression, and wants his own QB. Without any proof I conjecture that Jones' contract is a compromise between Schoen/Daboll and Mara. Hence the two year out. Mara has been quoted saying how much we messed this kid up. Won't be the first time Mara's sense of loyalty has gotten in the way.

The real issue is why does this thread even exist?    We're talking about Tommy effing DeVito at QB and we've only reached the half way point in the season. It's not like it's week 13 or 14 where holiday season mitigates the level of agida. Then again we were 1 second, 1 fu%n second from beating the jets with a High School QB. Isn't that an accomplishment?                 

It's been said that all kinds of stuff(sic) happens in an American football LOS pileup. The tush push hasto really piss off the defense. How is it that Hurts doesn't come out of the pile with a couple of fingers resembling right triangles. That's how you stop it. (I don't know how it happened, it's a train wreck in the pile) F$ck the iggles.