Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: TDToomer on February 03, 2023, 10:39:32 AMBe serious. He's a practice squad level QB.

He is a second round pick yet to play, no one knows if he is good or bad

16th in passing yards

48th!!!!!! in yards per attempt (ok this number factors all passes thrown, but still)

28th in Completion % (see above)

21 in Passing TDs

5th in QB Rush TDs

4th in QB rushing yds

31 in QB Rating


He can run it, but as far as passing in concerned, he is average at best.

https://youtu.be/CqI-M-CnuUc

This was a horrible throw, and one that cannot be excused if one is a franchise guy

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 22, 2023, 05:56:50 PMI'm not sure why this is a big deal, "out of character", or newsworthy in any way. I don't know of any promising young professional in any field who does not have at least a basic understanding of what the future compensation profile in his field looks like. Do people really expect Jones to live under a rock and have zero interest in his financial future?

Even if some want to call him a great QB (I say he may be a bit above average), he is NOT a "top QB", so at the same time I don't think what they make is very relevant.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 22, 2023, 12:52:18 PMI guess we need to define what is meant by "a good thing."

Obviously, anyone who tags a QB and then ends up signing him is likely spending more money that way, but they also preserved the option to not get locked down if they weren't sure. Maybe the Cowboys weren't 100% sure with Dak when they tagged him, and then they got more comfortable with the numbers after another season. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I'm not really sure - I think you can argue both.

I think the tag would make sense for Jones if the two sides are far apart. If Jones and his camp want a $40-$45mmm/yr contract and Schoen was thinking something more like $30m, then you could argue that it might make sense to tag him and bulk up at WR and IOL and see if he can play like a $45m/yr QB next year. If he does, then they could end up spending even more on him than if they just meet his demands this year, but they will also feel more sure about him in that case, which (in my opinion at least) is a better scenario for the team than paying a little less, but still a lot, for a QB they're not 100% sure is a top 10 QB.

Spot on 100% this

Allows them tk be absolutely certain they can win with them, and determine if they should kee building around him, without jeopardizing the future if he is not the answer

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 22, 2023, 12:27:47 PM@TrueBlueFan @Rambo89 @GordonGekko80

This is not a rhetorical question.  Can any of you remember when franchising a QB for one year proved to be a good thing?

what other teams have done is meaningless, let's not look at this in a vacuum, it's about seeing if they can win with him. If they him some WR, OL help and bolster the other skill positions, and it doesn't move the needle much. Then they know they can move on. The debate here is he has no talent. So let them take care of that and see if he does any better.

As it stands now, he has increased his stock, and started to win me over a little down the stretch. However, my meaningless opinion is that he is not worth $35M, maybe Schoen disagrees then okay.

Regardless of what happens or doesn't happen. I trust our coach, GM and FO, and will root for the team to win and succeed regardless.

Quote from: Rambo89 on January 22, 2023, 11:55:24 AMI never thought I would say this but I think the Giants best bet is to franchise Daniel Jones ride out the 2023 season and take it from there.  I would not sign him to an extension.

I agree with this if they are to prioritize Jones over Barkley. I don't want to commit to either long term so they nay have to choose.

I'm done debating Jones, idc who is right or wrong at this point. We can all claim we have the facts and knowledge, I can care less anymore we exhausted the dialogue.

We will see very soon what happens. In Schoen and Dabs I trust.

Regardless, better days are on the horizon

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 20, 2023, 01:04:34 PMI'm genuinely surprised that no one has made a thread on the similarities to this season and the 2007 season yet so I'll do it without creating a new thread.

*First off Both super bowls are in Arizona.

*Both Qbs on their 4th year that had serious doubt going into the season and turned it around.

*Beat a divisional winner in the wild card that the media wasn't sold on(Bucs/Vikes).

*Beat the #1 seed Divison rival on the road (Cowboys/potentially Eagles)

*NFC championship on the road hostile blue blood match up (Green bay/49ers)

*Super bowl is on Fox like it was in 2007 and we would be heavy underdogs against a KC/Buf/Cincy.

*Giants won the 1st the London game in 2007, and won this season in London.

Onwards to the Superb Owl!

If this happens, I would be beyond ecstatic, especially if we also beat Dallas along the way 

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 20, 2023, 09:19:26 AMI really wonder what would have happened if Joe Judge hadn't been fired at the end of last season.   I think that was a real possibility.  If Joe hadn't done that 15-minute meltdown rant and perhaps not run those QB sneaks, he could have returned for another season.   Would Jones have flourished under Kitchens or whoever Judge brought in as the new OC?   

I suspect things would have gone in a very different direction with Jones out (and looking for a chance to compete with another team) and the Giants being a top 5 drafting team looking at this year's crop of draftable QBs.  Not sure if the Giants would have been able to hire Schoen if he was saddled with Judge as his HC.

95% of those close wins we coached our way into would have been losses, and we would all be screaming for our preference of Young, Stroud, Levis and co with the #3-4 overall pick.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 19, 2023, 02:19:19 PMI'm the one who posted it so maybe I should explain myself.  I posted it in the More Flotsam and Jetsam thread, a thread I created to post to links of videos and articles that some members might not have seen.  To date I'm the only one that has posted in the 2 F & J threads, so there was almost no chance that it would devolve into the kind of back and forth that caused this DJ catch-all thread to be necessary.

But more to the point, if you watched the video (I don't know if you did or not) it not only shows JT breaking down some DJ plays it shows JT highlighting the deficiencies of the Vikings secondary.  There's been lots of talk about the Vikings poor pass defense, but this video gives specific examples of those deficiencies and how the Giants' play calling exploited them.  So in that sense the DJ content was not nearly the whole story.  I don't know how much DJ content has to be in a video to consign it to this thread.

Obviously I posted it where I though it should go, and equally obviously the mods disagreed and moved it (I hope they actually watched it before moving it).  I'm disappointed that they moved it but I accept that.  But I also think the mods are capable of moderating the board without help from thread police.

What you quoted, was in a topic that was not created by you, and was in response to the topic creator

See post #998, that was the original message of another topic, and what you quoted was a post in that topic before it rightfully got moved here.

So honestly, no, I did not see your video, nor have I opened the Flotsam topic you speak of, so honestly I have no clue what you are on about in this post. But my post was not directed at you, so I was not "policing" your post(s).

This should be in the DJ thread

1-0 in the playoffs, I will give him credit. That record is more important than anything before it

If this is what Daniel Jones is moving forward. I will gladly change my opinion. Let's get this win first!!!!

If DJ can replicate this season, with an increase in TDs, on a tag, I would be more in favor of bringing him back.