Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 12, 2023, 11:09:08 AMYes, sometimes he did. So do most QBs on bad teams.

In the Dallas loss?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 12, 2023, 11:00:11 AMI think it is also important not to give him too much credit if he racks up some cheap stats in the late 3rd and 4th quarter if/when they're down by three or four scores. That happened in the Vegas game, and those stats really don't mean that much. What matters is how he looks when the game is still at least somewhat in question. If he's awful during that period but then puts together some cheap late yards and a cheap TD when the Giants have zero shot, it's important to parse that data appropriately. That's almost as irrelevant as preseason play IMO.

Well, now you're setting the bar and inserting parameters. Did DJ put up garbage time points? 

Looking better than Glennon and Fromm. If he outplays DJ's game, that's a good benchmark.

Based on the expectations coming into the league, I would say his expectations were not high. Many claimed he was over-drafted. Based on the fact that he won a playoff game coming off a decent season and then received a 40 million-dollar contract, then he surely busted this year. That expectation was that he was looking to be that Franchise QB and his play and injuries negated that expectation.

In the true sense of the term Bust, he was not in the category of a Rosen, Akili Smith, Harrington or Ryan Leaf.

Good to hear you're ok. Most medical coverage doesn't cover outside the country. Maybe consider a referral to a pulmonologist, just to get the best evaluation.

You really want to make that determination after one start against a team than beat the Giants at home 40-0?

How about some points and less than 7 sacks?

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 09:09:32 AMEd: So I see you finally decided to refer to the elephant in the room, eh?  (Yes, I know you've been hinting at it forever).

I wonder how many games we've lost because of that (over my lifetime). 

Ever since Eldridge Dickey (AFL) and Marlin Briscoe (NFL) then obviously Warren Moon, I've sat pissed off in the corner.  But I stand by my statement (somewhere, maybe not in this thread) that even the Philistines could not ignore the success of Lamar Jackson.  Second round?     

Bob

So do you think that the Giants would have broken Lamar Jackson?

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 09:02:13 AMEd: I will reluctantly agree with that view (if warranted) but only after the off-season and next draft.

Right now Schoen/Daboll POSSIBLY can't lose anything more (in terms of credibility) than they've already lost.

For one thing the medical could change REQUIRING them to take a high first-round QB. For another, even if that doesn't happen they still could justify taking (for example) a Harrison, Jr., or even a player on defense with the high 1st-rounder (or trade down). Too many possibilities, even if I were to agree with you 100 percent as of today.

Bob

Bob, you do realize you're deeply in the minority here, right? He's got as much a chance of being the Giants QB in 2025 as Marianne Williamson has in the Oval Office.

Of course, they could renegotiate his contract. But that's a long shot.

If they don't draft a QB in the first round, it's because Tommy Boy looks to be the next Tom Brady.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 08:56:07 AMRich: So you finally realized it's better to just re-post viewpoints than to write your own and come under DIRECT attack?

                                           

Leave Rich alone, Bob. He's still licking his wounds.

Just kidding.

I think at this point, Rich is 50/50 and would accept any outcome.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 08:53:13 AMEd: Fair enough, but now throw in the owners. Does your answer change? Bob

The Owners don't know QBs. They will weigh their options based on the intel provided by the Scouting Reports and his GM/Coaching Staff. Blond hair and Blue eyes a plus.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 08:49:33 AMEd: Yes, unless they draft a quarterback AND he's taken in the high 1st-round AND doctors okay Jones to play.

So you're asking two questions at once.  First, is he "good enough" to lead a good team?

Second, is his career basically "over" (as happened with the sad case of RB David Wilson) due to injury?

Bob

He's not good enough to be the Franchise QB but his career isn't over yet. It's just over as a NYG past 2024. Imo

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 08:21:15 AMAny member who answers "yes" MUST ALSO believe our management team and/or head coach are also busts.

Otherwise, a "yes" vote makes no sense since THEY signed the bust to a multi-year contract just this year.

So I'll ask anyone who sees this to also address THAT issue.

Bob

They gave him a two year prove it deal while the team was rebuilding. Schoen protected the team and he clearly had reservations. And I do believe that Mara injected his input, otherwise he may not have even been signed.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 08:46:12 AMEd: Clearly, that's all anyone can say and all views are will still-limited data.

But my point about the Giants taking Maye will exist no matter how well each QB does between now and draft day.

I was just spit-balling the issue to you now because I figured it's legit to consider that issue even today.

Bob

It's possible but I don't believe they will think that way.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 08:17:43 AMVERY timely topic, since that's now the issue with Jones (IMO).

Even if Giants draft a QB & even if it's a high 1st-rounder, that doesn't mean Jones won't start the first game.

If he does and keeps winning, he's not an "old man" by any stretch of the imagination.

Even if it's a high 1st-rounder, the first question will be how long can Jones keep the new guy on the bench.

I'll never forget how long Aaron Rodgers sat waiting for Brett Favre to play himself out of a job. There was even talk of trading Rodgers at one point.

Bob

Bob, do you actually believe Jones has a shot at 2025 with the Giants? I don't. Hey, he's not nearly as bad as he's been this year, but they won't take a chance with all these injuries.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 08:28:36 AMEd: IMO you know your QB's but I ask you... even if the Giants like Maye and want him over all other QB's....

How can Schoen stand before the media & make the case for Maye (assuming they get him in the high first round)?

After the lack of success of Daniel Jones (or, if you still believe in him as I do, delayed or stunted success)  coming out of the ACC, it would require (because Jones will still be on the team) Schoen to say why Maye is a better prospect than Jones!  If you disagree with this statement, then tell me what he will say... no, I don't think the Giants will take Maye no matter how much they like him.

Bob

I did say at this point. However Maye in my opinion has a nice upside and is further along than Jones was. A lot of this comes down to how they fall to the Giants. I actually believe at this point that Bo Nix would be the best fit for the Giants. After Jones getting injured so many times, I think they would be shy of Daniels. McCarthy would be another good fit in Blue.

Again, too early to make predictions and I have a lot more film to review.