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Quote from: T200 on November 13, 2023, 09:55:10 AMI know Wink is taking his lumps but the defense can only play so long before they get gassed. The offense is so inept, I'm sure all the defensive players will have career highs in snaps this season.

Tim, it was 28-0 at halftime. If the players are gassed before the half, I have to look at the coaches and the strength and conditioning team.

Quote from: Gmo11 on November 13, 2023, 10:53:48 AMRight but I kinda think that is the main reason why this isn't Daboll's fault.  He took a team that was basically as lousy as this one, and got them to play over their heads.  Particularly the QB.  If we are to give him all the blame for this season and call for his job, I don't know how we can take away all of the credit for last year when he was the Coach of the Year.  The performance last year was over achieving, the performance this year is under achieving, but the actual skill level of the team is somewhere in the middle.  Until you lose your top two QBs to injury at which point no matter what you do the team is going to get pummeled.  It's the biggest reason why I don't think teams should even carry a 3rd QB at all.  Anybody pulled off the street can do what Devito is doing so why bother having him around at all.

I don't have much more to say without overstating my points. Go back to the country club training camp and how woefully unprepared this team was entering the season.

Other than that, I just have to disagree with some of you folks here.

Like I said multiple times, I like Brian Daboll a lot and I hope he rights his ship.

The Jets have one of the best Defenses in the NFL. If Rodgers was playing, they win at least five more games. They have Tommy DeVito at QB with two seasons of experience.

Quote from: Gmo11 on November 13, 2023, 10:39:23 AMWhy do you suppose he was so successful last year?

He came in after an autocrat who was a strict disciplinarian that lost the team. But the fundamentals were there.

He was a breath of fresh air who walked into an easy schedule and had some luck on his side, but take a hard look at how the season ended. They were 3-6-1 to end the season and they beat a Vikings team with a high school secondary. The Eagles exposed them for who they were but the wheels started falling off last season.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on November 13, 2023, 09:42:04 AMI watched Daboll's post-game presser and he sounds disconnected from reality. Not that I expect him to dump on his team but his answers make it sound like he thinks these games aren't complete blowouts. Have real questions about Daboll's temperament and also whether he is not just overwhelmed coaching in NY.

It makes me think of the famous MLK quote: "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."

Great quote!

I'm going to address the elephant in the room. I think most all of us here like Brian Daboll the man and we all want him to succeed. It's also very distasteful to replace yet another HC after two seasons and after he showed so much promise last season.

It's becoming quite apparent to some of us who aren't blinded into thinking the criticism is an overreaction and I'm referring to some of the players, media, fans outside and in here, that Brian Daboll is a classic Peter Principal.

He's a very good OC, Play Caller and QB Guru. He may not be Head Coach material.

Can he learn? Can he reinvent himself? Absolutely he can with the right team of coaches around him and a solid cast of players.

He has to separate his personal feelings for the players and coaches from influencing his decisions.

He fully supported Daniel Jones. His input to Schoen had to influence the decision to bring in receiving weapons instead of better Oline players and depth.

He fully supported Bobby Johnson over two seasons of poor results in development of his players and the decision to rotate the players in camp.

He has developed a working relationship with Kafka because he's subservient and he's mentoring him. But Kafka is a lousy game coach and has designed both good and bad plays but sticks with what doesn't work. What the heck was with that comical wildcat clusterfuck? Why did he abandon the run early on and then become so predictable with it later on in the season?

Daboll is making poor in game decisions.

He's become so emotional in real time that even when he restrains himself, he's so scrambled he can't think straight and now his players are having emotional outbursts on the sidelines, which disrupts the focus and resiliency of the team. When McKinney slams the DC, it's not an outlier. It's a symptom of what's being whispered in the locker room.

Then I have to criticize Schoen for not properly supporting Daboll and that goes back to decisions made before the season started and by not bringing in a QB after Tyrod went down. Tommy DeVito is a tough kid, well liked and a natural leader as well as a nice feel good story but he was clearly not prepared or ready to step in. At some point the Defense has their minds on what's going on with that lousy Offense and they will mail it in.

The next few weeks will determine the future of Brian Daboll as the Head Coach of the NYGs.

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Quote from: T200 on November 13, 2023, 09:26:22 AMI'm with you on the full responsibility front. Kafka should be sitting at home on game days. Maybe they do it over the bye?

Firing Daboll sends an absolutely horrible message to fire yet another coach after only two seasons. What's worse is he's been handcuffed by a QB he could not be consistently successful with. And he's played less than half a season on his new contract. Sure, call him to task on the things that he could have been better at. He's also a rookie head coach. He's not going to be perfect. I don't see Schoen throwing Daboll under the bus and making him the scapegoat. Mara certainly isn't going to suggest it, especially if he feels that the organization "did everything to ruin this kid [Jones]."

Schoen knows what they inherited and he's going to give Daboll a fair shot at showing what he can do with his own QB. I'm willing to put a 6-pack of your favorite cold ones on it.

Tim, I guarantee you that Mara and Schoen will have that discussion. There is a long enough list of points to support it. I don't think they make any changes in season. But if the OC, DC, Oline coaches all go after the season...

Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 13, 2023, 09:24:58 AMFrom the same guy telling fans they didn't know what they were talking about and that Jones was the franchise guy. Tynes needs to calm down on his takes as he has some strange ones.

Yup a complete 180.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 13, 2023, 09:20:26 AMFWIW Carl Banks is on Twitter, has over 78,000 followers, and posts and retweets very regularly.

Let's see if Carl tells it like it is today. I think he exposes all the problems but falls short of being critical of the GM and HC. You don't xxxx where you eat.

Does anyone think Stroud would have made a difference in this team yesterday?

Quote from: T200 on November 13, 2023, 08:54:47 AMYour observation is not without basis. I think Daboll most definitely gets a third year. If they draft a QB in April, it will possible buy Daboll a 4th, depending on what improvements the team makes (being competitive each week).

We are now ten games into the season. Daboll had stuck with everyone on his Coaching Staff and although he can't replace multiple coaches in season and further disrupt the team, it was quite apparent he could have made at least one of three obviously needed changes.

If a HC can't diagnose the weak links and fails to take action, then it falls on him.

Leadership requires making tough decisions. Whether that leader is in the Military or is a Retail Manager, a production manager or the President of the United States.

Who's responsible for the poor Offensive Line play? Blame it on the injuries? Who's responsible for poor Special Teams play? Stupid players? Who's responsible for preparing the Offense, it's players and the execution as well as designing plays and calling the right play in every situation?

In every aspect this entire team broke down and was exposed.

There are some good players out there making mistakes and demonstrating poor execution.

Tim, I don't think Daboll "definitely" gets a third year. I think for sure Schoen does.

Like I said somewhere, wait until this xxxx show comes back to NJ.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 13, 2023, 12:49:13 AMEd: Are the title and original post representative of your personal viewpoint, or are you making a prediction? Bob

If moves aren't made and things continue status quo, what does that show Mara and Tisch? It's an observation through experience Bob.

Quote from: TDToomer on November 13, 2023, 08:30:26 AMUgg you used the "I" word. Influencer. This SM phenomenon is so gross. But since you brought it up who exactly is our former kicker "influencing"? I care about what Carl Banks thinks not Tynes.

His followers who then influence others. Did you see Ralph's tweet that I put up? Schneier's? Then they get hundreds of comments which influence attitude. The whole thing then snowballs. Causation.

Perception of the fan base influences the owners. You've been around long enough to see what happens with this organization.

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