Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 14, 2023, 11:07:36 AMI have heard quite a few podcasts call out that early challenge and Daboll trying to rescind the challenge.

I can't help but feel like it's part of a pattern we have seen play out this season where it appears Daboll is letting his emotions get the better of him (like when he told the sideline reporter he couldn't think straight going into the half because Tyrod switched the play to a run).

While head coaches being firey on the sidelines is pretty normal, I think most of the successful ones learn how to take advantage of that passion rather than the passion getting the better of them.

I think most of these challenges come from upstairs and I think that was the case here. As for the antics, I mentioned this in another thread. He truly is angry to the point where it unsettles him and he loses focus. Some coaches make this an act to show they are visibly upset to intimidate the officials on the next close call. Although I felt the sideline reporter should have backed off in a live broadcast, his response to her was clearly out of frustration and he was still frazzled at that point. What's troubling to me is that he has decades of experience and this is a flaw he has in his makeup. It's very hard to correct this or control it.

Mara sealed that perception the day he fired McAdoo in season and replaced him with Spags. When he claims the Offense is broken and Gilbride retires and Tom Coughlin doesn't shake his hand or look him in the eye at his final press conference, it highlights that conspiracy theories in Chat Rooms aren't created in a vacuum.

I love Bob Papa but he's coming to the rescue in an obvious way and disrespectful to a good portion of the fan base that doesn't have the wool pulled over their eyes.

MB makes a good point. I worked for an owner for 25 years and reported directly to him. He preached autonomy but he made his point in subtle ways and you better had to have compelling reasons to put your credibility on the line. Because if you're wrong too many times, your job is on the line.

Quote from: Philosophers on November 14, 2023, 11:30:31 AMThere is talk sometimes of coaches ho wear out their welcome with players agter 6-7 years as their personalities grind on players.

Dabs has come across as a player's coach not a task master.  If he is losing the team in terms of not getting them to listen to him, what does that say about him or the players in the team?

The team has quit. 

Brings to mind that there is a difference in losing the locker room and not risking injury by the level of intensity on the field. You make a good point.

When I see a complete turnaround in Run Blocking from one week to the next and two consecutive abysmal showings by the Defense and a steep decline from their peak, it's an indication that it's more than just talent. Watching the Bills last night with all their mistakes I saw a high level of intensity. They have to show enough not to hurt their market value but there are situations where it's contested passes, gang tackling and getting blindsided where it becomes a business decision.

I'm not as sure as you are but it's something to watch.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 14, 2023, 10:08:07 AMI can't stand Ralph. I'm writing because I AGREE with his speculation/argument/thesis on Jones.

The goal IMO should be to take the best player available with Pick 2.

I said the same thing when they drafted Barkley (still one of the Top 20 players in the NFL).

To me, right now, the best player available is Harrison, Jr., offense, NOT one of the QB's.

That could change, but that's the situation as I see it today, and I believe the Giants agree.

Bob

If Jalin Hyatt was drafted by the Bills, he would have ten TDs and over 1000 yards by now. He would be one of if not the top Receiver in the NFL with several other teams. The Giants don't have a Receiver problem. They should not draft MHJ.

If they truly believe in Daniel Jones, and they have one of the top two picks they should trade down and get a king's ransom. They should have done that instead of drafting Barkley. SB has not helped the team win just like Hyatt hasn't. They can get a second in 2025 plus their first and a first in 2025 minimum. Fix that Offensive Line so it make's Tommy look like Tom Brady and get a shut down corner and an edge rusher.

Of course they would most likely pick the QB.

My man Josh Allen did me in, along with a dumb PI and 12 men on the field.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 14, 2023, 06:31:04 AMIt might just be a matter of you being 4-5 months early with your post.

Keeping up with the Jones'

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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 14, 2023, 06:22:09 AMWORDLE!!!

Wordle 878 X/6*

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Was down to (I think) three words left going into the 5th guess. Guessed the two wrong ones.

Ouch! What was your streak?

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Lucky guess

https://x.com/theghettogronk/status/1724156801409581514?

If it was correct info, hell no.

2025 QB Draft Class
The first two will declare 2024

https://walterfootball.com/QBRankings2025.php

According to Ralph Vacchiano as per an inside source. Yup, read it for yourself.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/evgiants-might-not-be-ready-to-move-on-from-daniel-jones

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 13, 2023, 03:07:49 PMHere is a clip from an article in The Athletic today about him:


Before the season, NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah compared Maye to Carson Palmer, the No. 1 pick in 2003. ESPN analyst Dan Orlovsky said that Maye has "Big Ben" in his game, referencing former Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, on "The Dan Patrick Show" last month after calling some of Maye's games.

"I think he's a superstar in the NFL," Orlovsky said. "I do."

Tim Hasselbeck, an analyst for ESPN and the ACC Network, said earlier this month that he would select Maye over Williams, calling him as "perfect of a prospect (as) I have ever seen in 15 years at ESPN."

Dane Brugler, the draft analyst for The Athletic, rated Maye as the top player in his updated list of the top 50 prospects. Brugler compared him to Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert.

"Cut from the same cloth," Brugler told the "Hoge & Jahns" podcast in October after evaluating two months of tape from this season. "Good-sized quarterback, great feet, big-time arm. You love the command of the offense. And when you evaluate the quarterback position, you always want to see the full inventory of throws, right? So not every college quarterback can give you that. Drake Maye can."

I haven't thought who I would compare him to but Herbert is a closer fit than Big Ben. I think he may wind up going number one. This past Duke win highlighted all his attributes. I would love to have seen him face stiffer competition and as @Bob In PA pointed out that's a talking point. He faces a Clemson team this weekend that is a shell of its former dominant self.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 13, 2023, 03:35:21 PMThat wasn't a wisecrack; it was my effort to try and keep things respectful.  To suggest that people who were "on the DJ bandwagon" are flawed or don't know what they are talking about is, as I suggested, inappropriate, especially in light of injury issues.  We always preach to be respectful and allow all viewpoints, and that comment seemed to be the antithesis of what we preach.

So now you're going to attempt to control content based on observation of other sites? It wasn't meant to be disrespectful and you know it. It's a fact. Getting back to the point here, their followers will vote according to how they were influenced by their content. If another site that wasn't supportive all season took a vote, they would get different results. The lack of Daboll support may be a vocal minority but it's certainly not less than 10%. Among his followers it is. If this keeps up, less than 10% will go up and up.

Right now they support Daboll. They are on the Daboll bandwagon. That can change.