Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Trench on January 12, 2023, 02:51:42 PMYou state this as fact when the truth is you have no idea what people will command in salary.

Not to mention we do not know what and/or how many players JS/Dabs plan to try to resign from our in house free agents, and any who may be eligible for extensions.

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-ranking-all-32-teams-primary-starting-quarterbacks-at-the-end-of-th

DJ is ranked 18th, I think that is a pretty fair placement for him as things currently stand. I would maybe move him a spot or two higher, not sure I agree Purdy (yet), or Fields, should be above him. He probably outperformed Kyler this year as well and played a full slate of games. So I can see him being about 15th or so

"2022 stats: 16 games | 67.2 pct | 3,205 pass yds | 6.8 ypa | 15 pass TD | 5 INT | 708 rush yds | 7 rush TD | 6 fumbles"

"Playing all year to prove he belongs next year, Jones entered Week 17 amid reports the Giants view him as "part of their future in 2023 and beyond." Why not? Along with his heroics on the ground, "Danny Dimes" has improved through the air. In recent weeks, the Giants have run a "more conventional passing offense rather than relying so heavily on bootlegs," per The Athletic's Dan Duggan. Against the Vikings in Week 16, Jones lashed Minnesota for 334 yards, nearly 135 more than his average per game in 2022. One week later against the Colts -- in his final regular-season outing -- he completed all but five of his 24 throws and shredded Indy with 91 yards on the ground, totaling four touchdowns in the process. At last paired with a coach who can refine him, Jones exits the regular season as a functional starter to hang onto."

I wonder how Purdy will do under the big lights, he has played great since stepping in.

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 12, 2023, 10:02:12 AMYou didnt do the math thats an assumption not based on the numbers at all. Do some due diligence before making a statement. Spend the time do the cap math and report back.

What due diligence have you done? Explain how you have come to your conclusion, other than looking at cap figures before the next two offseasons occur, and before decisions are made on Jones and Barkley?

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 11, 2023, 10:54:38 PMTrue we could be discussing how Allen Lazard should be our main aquistion at WR this offseason.

He is not a #1, he would be a solid addition to our room, but I would not pay him close to WR1 money.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 11, 2023, 09:22:09 PMI'd much rather talk about upgrading our punter at this point than Wr in every thread.

But Hopkins would transform our offense and franchise QB, we would be super bowl favorites!!!!!

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 11, 2023, 10:15:40 AMIf you have to have a 16 million a year RB and a 20-30 million a year Wr so that your Qbs stats aren't in the 20s is it really worth it? Just saying.

Elite, or even very good QBs, make their players better. If you need players to kake you better, than you are not that, you are average at best.

If DJ plays more games like his last few, perhaps the view on him can change a bit. But I currently still don't view him as a long term, $35m+ guy

I have been impressed his last 2 games. But I doubt Boomer knows a thing. JS said after the bye, they would wait until after the season. I would think that includes playoffs?

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 05, 2023, 09:19:52 PMOne thing is clear about Jones. He's a good quarterback. He's not even close to his potential given the roster and first season with new coach and coordinator. He's tough as nails, and teammates will go to war for that dude every week. And we saw Hurts go from a guy people were outright wondering about to a possible MVP when he got an elite veteran WR in a good system under Sirianni.

Maybe, maybe not, we will see. Hopefully if he stays, it happens.

Like someone else said, I forget who, but many here not "in favor" of DJ, ultimately want him to play well and be that guy for as long as he is wearing the royal blue jersey. We ultimately want the team to win regardless of who is on the roster. He is playing good, he has stepped up a bit lately and credit was given to him.

If he is resigned, the roster gets built and he takes another step, I am sure 95+% of anyone wanting a change, will happily and willingly eat crow. Seeing the Giants succeed is all that matters for all of us at the end of the day

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 05, 2023, 04:58:48 PMResponses in asterisks. Try learning by opening your eyes first.

Please, can we just stop attacking each other? Some of us are trying here. Posts like this will not help this board become more civil

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on January 02, 2023, 08:06:13 AMNo.

I've got zero issue with Elvis and I don't think we have ever locked horns.

Gloating is gloating

Also let's remember I'm not for or against the signing of DJ.  I'm in camp entrust JS to make the right decision for us right now.

I also never had an issue with him, I have also disengaged a bit as a whole. But that apology form was posted in multiple topics, it clearly is trying to antagonize anyone against resigning Jones and trying to start new arguments after they seem to finally calm down for a bit

I will go on record saying that was a top 2-3 game of his career.

Barkley did not get alot going, and he made some nice throws.

While my opinion and the concerns that come with it has not changed, I was impressed by his play yesterday

At the end of the day, I just want to win and they did that. I did not want to sneak it, if they were gonna get in, I wanted them to clinch convincingly and make a statement. Let's see what happens

I've said they should roll with Tyrod next year

I personally think this is the better move because:

1. $5.5M vs $30M

2. Gives them a chance to build out the roster some more, upgrades, depth, etc between FA, Draft and UDFA. Tyrod would not be playing with this roster, but an upgraded one, with returning pieces having a year in the system, along with a new turf and players coming back from IR

I think Tyrod w/ an upgraded roster will be a more functional and better offense than DJ with this years crop. If I can upgrade without paying $30M, I will. Then in 2024 draft your guy, another FA and draft to add more too. Unless they draft one this year.

Aside from "their guy" I would also try to pickup another QB in the middle or late rounds that has size and physical tools that translate to the NFL w/ coaching, just as Redskins did with RG3 and Cousins that year, never hurts to take another swing at the bat.

Quote from: AP44 on December 28, 2022, 04:47:19 PMThat doesn't answer my question.

To be fair, your reply to my post you quoted, was also completely unrelated to said quoted post

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 28, 2022, 03:28:55 PMHere are Danial Jones' grades for the last 4 games

68.4
78.0
75.8
85.3

Could those better receivers also be part of the reason DJ's PFF grade has improved from his baseline 74.9?

Wouldn't that mean our WRs aren't bad then and that they are elevating the play of DJ?