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Messages - Ed Vette

#2461
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 12, 2023, 06:03:47 PMI don't get it. Did people think this game was going to be competitive? Look who we have at QB.
Yup, blame the QB. That will fix everything.
#2462
Big Blue Huddle / Dabs may not survive this season,
November 12, 2023, 06:00:33 PM
And that means the entire Coaching Staff goes. Wink included. This is bad, this is very, very bad.
#2463
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Giants VS Cowboys game thread
November 12, 2023, 05:17:03 PM
So am I still overreacting about Kafka???
#2464
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Your bar for Tommy DeVito today
November 12, 2023, 11:12:16 AM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 12, 2023, 11:09:08 AMYes, sometimes he did. So do most QBs on bad teams.
In the Dallas loss?
#2465
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Your bar for Tommy DeVito today
November 12, 2023, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 12, 2023, 11:00:11 AMI think it is also important not to give him too much credit if he racks up some cheap stats in the late 3rd and 4th quarter if/when they're down by three or four scores. That happened in the Vegas game, and those stats really don't mean that much. What matters is how he looks when the game is still at least somewhat in question. If he's awful during that period but then puts together some cheap late yards and a cheap TD when the Giants have zero shot, it's important to parse that data appropriately. That's almost as irrelevant as preseason play IMO.
Well, now you're setting the bar and inserting parameters. Did DJ put up garbage time points? 
#2466
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Your bar for Tommy DeVito today
November 12, 2023, 10:58:53 AM
Looking better than Glennon and Fromm. If he outplays DJ's game, that's a good benchmark.
#2467
Based on the expectations coming into the league, I would say his expectations were not high. Many claimed he was over-drafted. Based on the fact that he won a playoff game coming off a decent season and then received a 40 million-dollar contract, then he surely busted this year. That expectation was that he was looking to be that Franchise QB and his play and injuries negated that expectation.

In the true sense of the term Bust, he was not in the category of a Rosen, Akili Smith, Harrington or Ryan Leaf.
#2468
The Front Porch / Re: Good to be home
November 12, 2023, 10:38:42 AM
Good to hear you're ok. Most medical coverage doesn't cover outside the country. Maybe consider a referral to a pulmonologist, just to get the best evaluation.
#2469
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Your bar for Tommy DeVito today
November 12, 2023, 10:22:20 AM
You really want to make that determination after one start against a team than beat the Giants at home 40-0?

How about some points and less than 7 sacks?
#2470
Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 09:09:32 AMEd: So I see you finally decided to refer to the elephant in the room, eh?  (Yes, I know you've been hinting at it forever).

I wonder how many games we've lost because of that (over my lifetime). 

Ever since Eldridge Dickey (AFL) and Marlin Briscoe (NFL) then obviously Warren Moon, I've sat pissed off in the corner.  But I stand by my statement (somewhere, maybe not in this thread) that even the Philistines could not ignore the success of Lamar Jackson.  Second round?  =))  =))  =))

Bob
So do you think that the Giants would have broken Lamar Jackson?
#2471
Big Blue Huddle / Re: How long do you give a QB
November 12, 2023, 09:12:19 AM
Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 09:02:13 AMEd: I will reluctantly agree with that view (if warranted) but only after the off-season and next draft.

Right now Schoen/Daboll POSSIBLY can't lose anything more (in terms of credibility) than they've already lost.

For one thing the medical could change REQUIRING them to take a high first-round QB. For another, even if that doesn't happen they still could justify taking (for example) a Harrison, Jr., or even a player on defense with the high 1st-rounder (or trade down). Too many possibilities, even if I were to agree with you 100 percent as of today.

Bob
Bob, you do realize you're deeply in the minority here, right? He's got as much a chance of being the Giants QB in 2025 as Marianne Williamson has in the Oval Office.

Of course, they could renegotiate his contract. But that's a long shot.

If they don't draft a QB in the first round, it's because Tommy Boy looks to be the next Tom Brady. ;)
#2472
Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 08:56:07 AMRich: So you finally realized it's better to just re-post viewpoints than to write your own and come under DIRECT attack?

=))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))  =))
Leave Rich alone, Bob. He's still licking his wounds.

Just kidding.

I think at this point, Rich is 50/50 and would accept any outcome.
#2473
Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 08:53:13 AMEd: Fair enough, but now throw in the owners. Does your answer change? Bob
The Owners don't know QBs. They will weigh their options based on the intel provided by the Scouting Reports and his GM/Coaching Staff. Blond hair and Blue eyes a plus.
#2474
Big Blue Huddle / Re: How long do you give a QB
November 12, 2023, 08:54:22 AM
Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 08:49:33 AMEd: Yes, unless they draft a quarterback AND he's taken in the high 1st-round AND doctors okay Jones to play.

So you're asking two questions at once.  First, is he "good enough" to lead a good team?

Second, is his career basically "over" (as happened with the sad case of RB David Wilson) due to injury?

Bob
He's not good enough to be the Franchise QB but his career isn't over yet. It's just over as a NYG past 2024. Imo
#2475
Quote from: Bob In PA on November 12, 2023, 08:21:15 AMAny member who answers "yes" MUST ALSO believe our management team and/or head coach are also busts.

Otherwise, a "yes" vote makes no sense since THEY signed the bust to a multi-year contract just this year.

So I'll ask anyone who sees this to also address THAT issue.

Bob
They gave him a two year prove it deal while the team was rebuilding. Schoen protected the team and he clearly had reservations. And I do believe that Mara injected his input, otherwise he may not have even been signed.