Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: spiderblue43 on June 17, 2024, 01:33:18 PMNeal has been in dry dock and should be kept there. I'm on board with those that have zero faith for him to even grade to average. Stubbornness never worked with Flowers, now they seem intent to repeat it.

 

I am in favor of putting our faith in the new O-line coach.  It's up to him to determine what the team has in Evan Neal.  If we don't have enough faith in the O-line coach to do that, we are all in trouble.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on June 17, 2024, 01:02:10 PMI remember because I was a bigger fan of Ekwonu than Neal, but I was just saying that the selection of Neal was universally praised as a great pick.

I agree, Neal was considered the best or one of the best coming out, despite the concerns.   The Giants got nothing but praise for the pick

NAME   REC YDS   REC YDS/G
Bob Tucker   4,376   43.8
Jeremy Shockey   4,228   50.9
Aaron Thomas   3,733   46.1
Mark Bavaro   3,722   45.4

Clark set a new NCAA Division One record for scoring not just for women, but for men and women.  So why are we crediting her skin tone and sexual orientation instead of the amazing accomplishment she earned for her popularity?

The Williams sisters were the darlings of women's tennis not because they were black but because they were so dominant. The same goes for Tiger Woods in golf and Michael Jordon in basketball.  It seems a bit disrespectful not to give an athlete their due for what they accomplished in their sport.

Quote from: Painter on June 17, 2024, 10:38:33 AMIs that meant as a rebuttal to what I suggested above?  But then, I suppose I should have used the word fantasy rather than nonsensical 

Cheers!

Larry,

If we and the Giants are lucky, there will be no new news between now and the start of training camp (since news this time of year usually involves a player getting hurt or in trouble).  Are your standards and expectations calibrated to this fact?

We get it; as Joe @Philosophers said, we all know that projections and predictions are not facts or even have a strong likelihood of coming true.   That doesn't mean some people might not find it worth talking about during the dead period

Quote from: Painter on June 17, 2024, 10:07:05 AMThere are no limits to such a nonsensical exercise which the author knows will be disregarded and forgotten almost immediately by even the most gullible among us.

Cheers!

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Quote from: T200 on June 17, 2024, 09:09:11 AMIf Neal were to have a breakout season, I think DJ's progress would gradually trend upward. I think he'd have a slow start in the first 4-6 weeks until he's confident in the line. Once he gets comfortable, I think things would slow down for him and he wouldn't rush his progressions. He'd have time to find Nabers, Hyatt, and WDR.

That's why Neal is the only choice, with JMS an honorable mention.

Tim,

I think you very well may be right, in terms of DJ needing to learn to trust his protection

NFL Network insider Mike Garafolo joins today's Locked On Giants podcast as we discuss the state of the New York Giants--how much of a chance Daniel Jones will get, what the contingency is on the offensive line, what success will need to look like for this team and much more.   

Quote from: Jclayton92 on June 16, 2024, 07:03:43 PMSchmitz and Neal were regarding as the best prospects at their position in the draft, not like there was huge question marks coming out about them.

There were questions about Neal's balance (which is not a minor issue for offensive linemen) coming out.  JMS was clean, with the biggest question being his ceiling

Quote from: T200 on June 16, 2024, 10:18:17 PM

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Tim,

Where did you get that image?  I can't imagine dads with NYG hats are just floating around out there.

Quote from: Bob In PA on June 16, 2024, 11:48:13 AMDepends what the emphasis is. 

Who lasted the longest in the NFL? 
Which man's best year was the overall best of all of them?
Best man-coverage guy?
Best zone coverage guy?
Best at getting interceptions?
Best at not giving up TD?
Best at not giving up first downs?

A really tough question to answer, so I'll pick Champ Bailey, because he may have been the "composite" best player when combining all of the factors enumerated above.

Bob

Bob,

I think some of those factors are up to the person picking

Quote from: AZGiantFan on June 15, 2024, 04:15:57 PMLooking back, Wink's defenses in Baltimore were never outstanding in sacks, INTS, run stopping, red zone.  Where they were exceptional was opponent passer rating and the all important points yielded.  It's a curious combination, but the special sauce might be that Baltimore was always at or near the top in TOP, and that wasn't because of 3&outs or takeaways it was because Baltimore had a ball control offense that led the league in rushing attempts every year Wink was there.  And in his final year even the things his defense had been good at, including scoring defense, fell off the cliff.

What may be a sign of hope for us though, is the fact that after he left Baltimore's defense improved in a lot of categories.  May it be so for the Giants.

I think we tend to get over-enthusiastic about new coaches, particularly if they have a hook.  Wink, Coach Chaos, (both of whom are out of the NFL after their stints with the Giants) etc.  And a whole line of OL coaches who were regarded as saviors.

Mike Lombardi always like to say the less a defense has to player the easier it it for them

Quote from: Philosophers on June 16, 2024, 12:34:42 PMWho said successful?  I said top 16-18

I think that it's reasonable to say that is roughly how DJ did in 2022 (maybe a little higher or lower) but at least in that range