Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Dumpster Dan on October 18, 2023, 08:44:15 PMThe problem with that is nobody knew the health of Pugh early in FA--remember their is a crisis in OL throughout the league and no other team took a swing at him either


Dumpster Dan

Great post!

Pugh sat unsigned by every team in the league for weeks because teams have learned that it's bad practice to commit precious cap space to injured players.

Also, as noted, Pugh wanted more money at the time. Schoen waited him out for his demands to drop - plus gave him additional time to get healthy - and then signed him at a reduced rate. Couldn't have handled it any better.

And I'm still skeptical Pugh will make it through the year - both from a health and a performance standpoint. But now that he's here on the minimum, it doesn't really matter.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 19, 2023, 08:41:34 AMFor me, this goes in the negative for Schoen.   The Giants kept two WRs who have little value to the team in Shepard and Beasley, and let a quality WR with ST value go.  This is not how one makes a team better.

100%. Your #6 WR MUST provide ST value. Otherwise, it's a complete waste of a roster spot, and potentially weakens one of your 3 units.

Quote from: TDToomer on October 18, 2023, 08:50:46 PMWhy is anyone surprised when we don't seem to care about our return game. Then you have fans who would prefer just fair catching every punt, endzone knee every KO. Can't have another SEHORN! So those fans can't complain about another team emphasizing their return game. You can't have it both ways.

This makes absolutely no sense. Crowder would have added value to our return game as the #6 WR, not our #1 CB.

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 17, 2023, 10:23:51 PMHe played well for four quarters and thats twice as many quarters than Daniel Jones has played in five games this year.

A QB who played four quarters that culminated in 0 TD drives and made a game-altering, boneheaded audible that likely cost them the game did not play well.

Quote from: Dumpster Dan on October 17, 2023, 04:40:20 PMThey will have to cut or IR one, wont they??

Dumpster Dan

https://x.com/mikegarafolo/status/1714363161774563349?s=46

Quote from: Trench on October 17, 2023, 04:37:11 PMIt's not a disparage. It is a fact from the game. If you go read my posts I have always supported Jones being out QB (but when he doesn't hit the mark I call it out)

The topic was the defense and TT, but you just couldn't help yourself in making it about DJ. It's so transparent and tiresome.

DJ didn't play in the game. Let's actually talk about those who did instead of beating a dead horse.

Quote from: UncannyGfan on October 17, 2023, 01:21:52 PMWould the defense have played as well if they had to play more snaps?  The offense play calling was very conservative, had no turnovers, and no unblocked pass rushers hitting the QB before he could see them coming (was OL just better or was it Taylor's influence on calls at the line and his own pocket skills?).

Would the Giants have made this game plan for Jones and would Jones execute it more efficiently?

To the former, there is no evidence this season they would have tried this plan with him.

To the latter, I think this is another thread of the QB discussion we've discussed all year.  I think the Jones of last season would have executed it better than Taylor.  The Jones of this season after five games, I don't he would have.  The play that comes to mind was Taylor's throw the blitzing side or when Barkley went out for reception instead of blocking when recognizing the situation.  Jones regressed in handling those situations this year.

WAY too many "ifs" and unknowns for me to even comment.

I think it's a leap to attribute improved OL play on a QB' calls. And I also think that, while TT did move well in the pocket, the data doesn't support that as being the difference between his performance and Jones'. There were several games with DJ starting that the data shows he faces pressure in 2 seconds or less. Had TT faced that same level of pressure, his pocket presence would not have made any difference.

There have definitely been recognition issues on DJ's part this season, but I do think you're onto something re: the gameplan and playcalling being different. Would be interesting to see what would happen with the same plan and DJ under center.

Quote from: Trench on October 17, 2023, 03:52:39 PMBS!...Taylor moved the ball and made SEVERAL 1st down plays!...how many did we have when the other guy was at QB?

I know all you want to do is disparage DJ in every post possible, but this has absolutely nothing to do with him.

It's a pretty weak argument to say a QB "made several first downs" during a game he led the offense to 0 TDs. Which, again, makes it pretty clear that the defense had everything to do with that game being close.

Quote from: UncannyGfan on October 17, 2023, 09:40:11 AMAm I right to say for the first time this season it felt like the Giants had a chance to win for four straight quarters?  I only had that feeling for a quarter against Arizona.

Going into the game with the state of the OL they really blew our expectations out of the water.

So in searching for why that was, we had the most observable difference, a new QB. It seems we've been talking more about the QB position then any other on this board by a long shot.

Can we conclude that Taylor was the reason that was a winnable game despite it being one of the highest probably losing game this season as the announcers pointed out ahead of the game?  Well that's where the discussion is heading next.

I think Taylor gave them a better chance to win over expectations because of how well they ate up the clock in the first half, not turning the ball over and letting the defense shine.  Ceri mention this type of style in another thread.  The team went back to trying to eat up clock to keep the overall game score down and giving the team a chance late in the game.  Jones or the offensive game plan moved away from that style this season, Waller being evident. Sunday's change in QB and OL situation made them move back towards it.  It was fun to watch and I hope they can stick with it going forward this season with either Jones or Taylor.  Right now though I'd stick with Taylor until Jones is completely pain free.

The sole reason we almost won that game was the defense was lights out. It's pretty obvious.

Had nothing to do with TT, who couldn't muster a single TD drive. He had more to do with us losing the game then he did in almost winning it.

Quote from: TDToomer on October 16, 2023, 08:36:17 AMI won't name names but there is on extreme Pugh hater in the GT who hates him so much that he would rather start the clowns on our practice squad.

I thought we weren't calling other posters "haters" for having a different opinion?

Pugh is old and coming off a major injury. He sat unsigned for weeks despite a dearth of good OL across the league. It's not like it should be a controversial opinion to want to focus on the future and not the past.

Quote from: TDToomer on October 15, 2023, 09:34:41 PMHow did that work out last weekend?

The same it's working with Pugh.

Quote from: TDToomer on October 15, 2023, 09:30:43 PMHe makes league minimum. It's him or PS players.

Would much rather have a PS player. At least there's youth and upside. And it's not like they could play worse than Pugh.

All these excuses for Pugh. Was exactly the reason I said he's worthless to waste money on.

He's old. He's coming off injury. And his best days are long since past. And that's exactly how he's playing.

He gets no breaks from me. Next man up. And this man stinks.

2 penalties, 2 sacks allowed for Pugh. He fits right in.

Who was it that was saying Pugh was going to be a difference maker? LOL