Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 29, 2020, 10:27:33 PM
Tim: Yes, as H-Town has said and I think we all agree, the Constitutional right to free speech only applies to governmental action (and there was none here).

However, I believe we all generally support the concept of hearing ALL people out in public forums (like this one) even though they are not under a legal obligation to do so.

In any event, I haven't been able to find the whole video anywhere.  Excerpts were played on TV but I don't trust excerpts (regardless of which channel played them), especially for medical and scientific matters.

I have no idea why the website is down, or who took it down, or who is ultimately responsible.  It certainly could have been the "owner" but there are a few other possible explanations. 

Maybe, eventually, some enterprising young "cub reporter" will probably provide those answers.

Bob

I understand where you're coming from, Bob. And I tend to agree.

Personally, if I feel so strongly about something and I put it out for public consumption and it is removed, I'm going to find another avenue because it is that important. Not only that, I'm providing actual proof to support my stance. To my knowledge, these people just appeared on the scene with these claims. Does anyone have any information to substantiate their claims?

Quote from: Ron in NJ on July 29, 2020, 10:22:21 PM
I feel like the video was created for the express purpose of having it banned from social media

You don

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 29, 2020, 09:58:16 PM
Tim: To answer your question I will have to assume there is a doctor as described by H-Town, from whose post you copied the following description:

..... [a doctor] "who openly discussed her belief that the government is run by reptilians and aliens, and that infertility is caused by your spirit having intercourse with demons..." 

If that description were accurate and complete regarding the doctor to whom your question refers, then the answer to your question, obviously, is "not likely." 

But the issue is censorship. IMO, supporting the burning of books and the silencing of speech is a very bad idea.... because YOU might be the next person someone decides to silence.

Another good reason for allowing the video to stand is that, IMO, the best way to identify "crackpots," people with hidden agendas, and fools, is to allow them to talk.... if you know what I mean.

Bob

OK, so your issue is that Twitter deleted the video.

But isn't it their call as to what is allowed on their platform?

Is that the only venue that those doctors had available to air their video?

Why is their website down? Is that of their own doing or someone else?

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 29, 2020, 07:56:21 PM
Tim: Is this the question to which you're referring -->   How likely are you to see that doctor for your procedure?  Bob

Yes sir, that's the one.

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 29, 2020, 04:53:04 PM
Tim: Forgot to mention I did try the link and got a message that basically says that address is no longer in existence.  Only the owner of the name can log in.  I do appreciate the effort.  Thanks.  Bob

Hmmmm that's weird. It didn't come up for me either. Oh well.

Any thoughts on my question?

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 29, 2020, 04:14:04 PM
Ron: Two great points, neither of which had occurred to me.  I don't have a Twitter account and therefore never go there.  But I feel "deprived" for not having been able to see the video to decide for myself.

People who have covid might be interested.  The same for anyone like me who fortunately don't have it.  The "good news" is that absence of the chance to see the video may not stop people from asking their MD's.

With limited info I have, IMO the small group of MD's were treating people in very early stages of covid, whereas the study published in the New England Journal of Medicine dealt with "mild-to-moderate" cases. 

It's hard to tell if the two overlap, although I suspect they do not.  Further, I'm not sure if both the small group and the study in the N.E. Journal of Medicine are referencing exactly the same combination of drugs.

I do know that Dr. Marc Siegel (the "usual" Fox News medical guy) said on Tucker Carlson's show that in his view the verdict on the controversial treatment is still "up in the air" (not proven, and not yet enough data).

Bob

Did you go to their website? I posted a link to their site in my previous response to you.

I can't imagine why they would only post it to a platform where they have no control of it, especially when they have their own website.

Len,

I like the b&w shots of the shack better than the color. The b&w give it a rustic, nostalgic feel.

The winter scene, IMO, is better in its natural color. Let the natural white color come through to get the feel of the cold.

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 29, 2020, 01:52:40 PM
Rich: Here's a hint: the doctors to whom I am referring are NOT "high profile Trump people" who have posted "dangerous" or "false" information about Covid.

The people in the scrubbed video are REAL doctors who treat REAL patients and had ACTUAL success and want to tell me about it.

But I can't hear them because the entire video is now almost impossible to find.  So I've only been able to see excerpts.  I don't trust excerpts, no matter which TV station played them.

To understand MD's you must listen to every word they say.  I suspect I can differentiate (in 2 ways) the N.E.J.M. study you cited from what they were talking about, but I can't be sure without seeing everything.

In any event, it's now the fourth time I've asked.... why the desperation to crush the free speech of actual doctors who have had success and want to tell us about it? 

Bob

Bob,

The video should be available on their website:

www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com

But here's a question for you: we all do research on doctors that we plan to see either for checkups or procedures that we're considering having done. You come across a doctor and find this during your research:

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on July 29, 2020, 01:30:53 PM
Anyone is free to question the credentials, sanity, and medical conclusions of a person who has openly discussed her belief that the government is run by reptilians and aliens, and that infertility is caused by your spirit having intercourse with demons.

How likely are you to see that doctor for your procedure?

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 29, 2020, 12:22:12 PM
Tim,

There are drugs that have actually been proven to work like steroids and Remdesivir.   Other then some sort of desperate desire to prove Trump correct about something Covid related, I am at a loss for the continued promotion of this drug.   The drug can cause heart damage so you can't even say "what's the harm?".   I have seen other promising treatments in the pipeline as well, so I just don't understand the fixation.

Maybe he thinks it's the most beautiful word in the history of words and he likes saying it.

Trump at bedtime:

DT: Melania, will you read me a story?
MT: Sure Donnie! Do you want to hear about hydroxychloroquine and the killer hoax virus?
DT: OH YES! That's my favorite! I love hy

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 29, 2020, 12:09:34 PM
The woman on the screen with Tucker Carlson is a doctor.  She has been promoted by Trump (as well as FOX "news"


https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

Yeah, they're a group of doctors pushing it. And by extension, since Trump is supporting it, odds are his supporters are too. Hence my statement.

I wonder what these hydroxychloroquine supporters would say to their own doctor's if he/she said to NOT use it for COVID-19. 

Quote from: ozzie on July 29, 2020, 08:44:43 AM
HAHA! Now THAT is a great picture! I love it. 

I've had this tag on 6 different vehicles.

We were down in ShoelessJoe's neighborhood and although I'm not a hockey fan, I had to take this pic!

PhotoMonster,

You definitely have a photographer's eye.

Keep 'em coming! 

Quote from: LennG on July 26, 2020, 01:09:14 PM
You guys have created a monster now, but I love showing some of my pix, so get ready

You can change your name to PhotoMonster