Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: AP44 on December 20, 2022, 06:34:46 PMHow do we know Brisset and Taylor are lateral moves? Brisset never has been good. Are you just looking at stats or did you watch him extensively this year?

I mean this coaching staff doesn't think Taylor is as good or better cause there was never a QB competition.

How do you know they aren't lateral moves?  No one is trying to change your opinions on DJ yet you continue to try to pick a fight. You can think he is the future, I can think he isn't, and the world will go round all the same.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 20, 2022, 05:58:38 PMIf a 97 yard drive is just a decent drive I'd love to know what it takes for you to call a drive good.

And saying that the drive had something to do with the win is giving him too much credit?

I have to say that the notion that the only things a QB really deserves credit for is being part of the scoring play is unusual.  So since he covered the last 3 yards on a TD run, does Barkley get the credit for the drive?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=decent

Anyway, again, I gave him credit for a few of the nice throws he made on 3rd and 4th downs, they moved the chains. But all the 2 yard dinks and dunks inbetween are noting special.

Like many others, I don't think Jones is bad. I just don't feel he is good enough to win a SB. I don't view a Tyrod, Brissett, etc in 2023 to be a step back or downgrade, I think it is a lateral move at a much lower cost. Allowing more flexibility for building a good roster for the next QB, perhaps in 2024 unless they really love someone this year. But hey if they resign Jones, I will root for him and hope to hell he proves me wrong and I will happily eat some crow.

I mean even now I root for him to prove me wrong, because I want my team to succeed now and sustainably in the future.

Quote from: AP44 on December 20, 2022, 05:54:14 PMYeah harsh. The guy account for 93 yards on the drive but shouldn't get that much credit? Lol.

That's like saying Barkley taking one 90 yards to the 3 yard line but since Jones took it in the next play that Barkley shouldn't get any credit either... haha

Again, to each their own. You have your opinion and are more than entitles to have it.

Quote from: AP44 on December 20, 2022, 05:37:12 PMWait a sec... so Jones basically drives down the entire field. Makes a huge 4th down throw. And since Barkley takes it from the 2 yard line - he doesn't deserve much credit?

That's really really harsh. I am sorry.

Harsh? That is your opinion, if you think differently, you are certainly entitled to that. To each their own.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 20, 2022, 05:14:16 PMI think the 97 yard drive which was almost all passing had a little something to do with the win.

It was a decent drive, perhaps he deserves some credit not for that drive but maybe a few throws. But how did that drive end? Did he throw a TD or punch it in with his legs? I can't credit him an entire drive if he was not the one that sealed the deal at the end of it.

That drive was roughly half of his production the whole game. Coupled with 13 total points on offense, and none of those scoring plays involving him, what does that say about his performance every other drive and the game as a whole? Does he really deserve as much credit as you think he does?

Colt McCoy - 2
Dak Prescott - 7.5
Daniel Jones - 5
Mac Jones 5
Ryan Tannehill - 6
Jimmy G - 6
Goff - 6
Mitch Trubisky - 5.5
Derek Carr - 6.5

Yeah I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said in regards to these DJ debates.

Most who are "anti Jones" don't think he sucks or is a bad QB. We just think he is a mid tier average QB, you can do alot better, and you can do alot worse. In this day and age, it is extremely hard to win a SB without a true franchise QB, a franchise guy has always been important but it is even less often than it used to be when a Dilfer or Flacco occasionally win one. The more the rules changed over the year and made it more of a QB friendly league, the more critical the need for a top tier QB is.

Those of us who want to go a different direction, often provide data, sources, as well as well thought out insights of our own. But when this happens those people are being ridiculed and called wrong for disagreeing.

But it is perfectly acceptable to say our receivers are trash because they aren't high draft picks, which is unfair. Were these same things being said in 2011 when an undrafted rookie (Victor Cruz) propelled us towards another Super Bowl win? These late round picks are ranked 25th and 31st overall based on the same grades the pro DJ side provide, theres 64+ starting WRs, so they are in the top half and they are doing this with an average QB. How can they then be considered bad receivers? Slayton has more receiving yards than DJ Moore and Jerry Jeudy, among others who many on here were clamoring for us to trade for.

The main issue here, is whether you are Pro Jones, Anti Jones, or Neutral, we are all entitled to our own opinions, but it seems that anyone who defends Jones to the death is unable to acknowledge or accept that truth. I and many others have repeatedly said that opinions on both ends are entitled and well thought out. I cannot say I have seen much of that on the other end of the debate from from the "pro Jones" side of things. Rather than attack each other, why can't we just engage in healthy debate and conversations about both Jones and anything else about the team?

If you like DJ and want him to stay, that's great. While we may not agree, we cab all share our views and reasons and have sustainable dialogue to keep the board active and moving. But if anyone critiques or challenges a certain article, or is not supported of Jones, they are often blasting, being called wrong, and labeled as a hater. We aren't haters for wanting a change. We just think they have a certain ceiling with him, and it is one where Super Bowls are not within reach.