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Quote from: MightyGiants on January 10, 2024, 03:48:53 PMand @AZGiantFan

I have been thinking, what exactly do you mean by "one-sided"?  Are you saying Mike was biased or that Mike clearly is assigning the majority of the blame to Daboll?

The latter.

I think Lombardi isn't accounting for the difficulty in managing Wink's character.

Typically, the truth lays in the middle.

Good luck then.

Pretty one sided in my view. And clearly, he feels Daboll is at fault here.

Now, Daboll gets another shot with another for the most part new staff.

If he fails, he will be gone after next season.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 10, 2024, 10:58:20 AMI do agree, I just think there is a bigger picture that should be the focus and I also don't know how much Wink's reactions are the result of moves the Giants made (that were improper)

I think they know Wink's potential and quality.

But they realized that Wink's power games were heading in a wrong and dangerous direction. So they had to take action. The issue is just the fact that Wink wasn't having any of this.

I think one thing's clear: Wink will be leaving. Whether it's this or next offseason is probably the question. My bets are on this offseason though.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 10, 2024, 10:52:47 AMIf I were in Schoen's (or Daboll's) position, I would know that I made a move that I knew would set Wink off.  I fired his righthand man and his brother without so much as talking to him prior to the firing (especially as I teed up this move by publicly announcing that I thought Wink would stay and how Wink said the Giants were a destination job).  Frankly, if I wanted Wink to curse me out, that would be how I would do it.

Also, Wink has an agent.  So it's not like the team can't communicate with Wink if they want or need to, it simply needs to be done through his agent.

Finally, jobs are jobs, and people are people.  I have managed in a regular environment, a union environment, and in volunteer environments.  So, I have experience in a wide variety of management environments.

But Rich, you agree with me, that Wink's behavior is all BUT professional?

Equally, when Wink left Baltimore, it's not like they had massive defensive issues post his departure. They are one of the best if not the best team in the league atm.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 10, 2024, 09:05:55 AMWell at least Wink didn't punch Kafka in the head on national TV!

  

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 10, 2024, 06:29:48 AMhttps://nypost.com/2024/01/09/sports/wink-martindale-cursed-out-giants-brian-daboll-after-firings/

Assuming this is true, I think the Giants knew exactly what they were doing when they fired Drew and Kevin Wilkins. The reaction of Wink was probably foreseeable. Best case scenario would've been that Wink swallows the pill, but he didn't do it.

This sounds a lot like what happend with Buddy Ryan when he worked for the Houston Oilers. At the end of the day, Wink will leave anyways, whether it's this or next year.

So as much as I like the style of D he runs, it's probably better to look forward and change what needs to be changed.

Equally, Kudos to Daboll for making sure this didn't leak during the season and keep it down as good as he was able to.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 08, 2024, 10:42:20 AMIf you get mad that the other team scored on you there is a simple answer.  Don't let them.

True, but give the D a chance to line up the right way. Don't score out of Victory Formation.

You don't score a TD out of victory formation. Point blank.

The coach calls "victory", you do "victory".
You don't overrule a call like that. It's 41-17.

You wanna score? Give the D a chance to line up and stop you, but don't fool the D like that.
Winston needs to be gone. I wouldn't sign this guy on a free (not to mention how bad this makes his coach look, too).

I don't like this resignation...

But as mentioned by someone before, nobody needs to stay that doesn't want to be here.

Graham? No thanks.

Spags if it was me. But he's unlikely to leave KC.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 08, 2024, 01:10:18 PMThat is all true but that doesn't mean McKinney will make the same mistake.

Let's not forget that every player has an own story... X had a gruesome injury last year and the Giants helped him through the process.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 08, 2024, 12:51:27 PM2) The core of the Eagles is pretty old.   When older players start to decline, they tend to shine in September and October but will swoon in December and beyond.

Is this the decline we were talking about in the offseason? Hopefully...

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 08, 2024, 09:54:43 AMCurrently, the consensus is there are 3 top tier QBs.  So the Giants are not going to have a shot at one of the top QBs.

Realistically, from the top 6 teams in the draft, there's only NE and WSH who will want to draft a QB.

Unless another team moves up... but that's a tough bet to take.

1. Chicago Bears (via Carolina Panthers)
2. Washington Commanders
3. New England Patriots
4. Arizona Cardinals
5. Los Angeles Chargers
6. New York Giants
7. Tennessee Titans
8. Atlanta Falcons
9. Chicago Bears
10. New York Jets
11. Minnesota Vikings
12. Denver Broncos
13. Las Vegas Raiders
14. New Orleans Saints
15. Indianapolis Colts
16. Seattle Seahawks
17. Jacksonville Jaguars
18. Cincinnati Bengals

I definitely expect Denver to move up in the draft.

Harbaugh plays the same game every year... speaks to teams, doesn't get the Carte Blanche from the Owners and then stays at Michigan.

Quote from: T200 on January 08, 2024, 08:09:33 AMImagine you're at work and if you fail to complete a project on time, there would be an opportunity to hire more folks. But here's the kicker: the new hire may replace you.

Do you do your best to complete the project on time or miss the deadline in the hopes of getting more help?

Me? This.

Look at what happened to Rivera and his GM today...