Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 07, 2021, 01:47:39 PM
Bob,

Lead paint is still an issue.  There are still many older homes and apartments with lead paint.  I have had meeting about childhood lead.  An oldtime health officer who is really into the issue of lead, would often opine about how the lead in gas made him and his generation less intelligent. 

Yes, lead doesn't have anything to do with Climate change, but since it was mentioned, I thought I would share what I knew about the whole led thing.   

I tried to use this as an example of change over 50 years ....I did not expect the spanish inquizition ...j/k enjoy!

Quote from: Bob In PA on May 07, 2021, 01:42:11 PM
Rich: First, are you sure it wasn't because we took the lead out of PAINT? 

Toddlers interacting with paint seems the more likely explanation for that (but I don't know for sure).

Second, the issue of climate change has more to do with carbon dioxide than lead, so your remark is at least a partly a non sequitur.

Bob

no wonder I am stupider than stupid

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 07, 2021, 01:26:22 PM

Our IQs Are Six Points Higher Since We Stopped Putting Lead In Gas

https://jalopnik.com/our-iqs-are-six-points-higher-since-we-stopped-putting-5968523

no wonder i am so stupid

Quote from: Bob In PA on May 06, 2021, 11:40:52 PM
Nap: What fuel will be used to make the electricity to charge all of those electric cars?  I don't see solar and wind as being sufficient... building nuclear plants (or something else) will be needed.  Bob

Bob - that's why I say its fascinating.  people = pollution and more people (since the population is not shrinking at this point) = more pollution.  its possible the way the future deals with power sources is unknown, yet to be discovered.  or current sources will be refined and used more efficiently.

who would have thought leaded gas in 1971 would have disappeared by roughly 1990? yes unleaded was around at that time but if I recall correctly, engines then were built for leaded gas and performed the absolute best when leaded was used.   My Dad's 1970 Olds comes to mind. whenever he put unleaded in the thing it coughed and sputtered. 

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 27, 2021, 08:10:22 AM
Sounds like a really good book Bob. The part ("society

Quote from: ozzie on April 30, 2021, 08:11:32 PM
Benny Hill was a riot! Loved watching his show.
I wonder how much of his show would be considered "inapropriate" today...

Ozzie - was thinking the same thing.  His takes on "Kojak", "Fartsky & Stuch" and all the rest are so funny to us....but to people whom are not familiar?

I wonder if stand up comedians are a thing of the past...or will that platform return to be the only thing acceptable in this cancel the previous culture(s) world?

Awesome stuff. 

That Costello thought he was actually getting somewhere with "Naturally" on first base might be funniest bit of all the funniest bits in this routine.

this routine changed/morphed over the years.  this is one of the last performance's of the skit circa TV 1952

their performance of this in their first movie 1940 "A night in the tropics" is delivered much quicker (unbelievably), its shorter,  with different ending "I don't give a damn" is the shortstop....they also used this ending during live Radio broadcasts from 1938-1943 only cleaning up to the "I don't give a darn", and for what its worth for the 1946 Movie 'gay Nighties" it was 'I don't care" @ shortstop 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 06, 2021, 04:15:02 AM
Of all the various mythical "legends" out there, including things supposedly of this earth like Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster etc and also extraterrestrial type stuff, one that I have always been quick to dismiss as pure fiction is Bigfoot. For the simple reason that we are talking about this supposedly massive creature, and yet if he exists, how come nobody has ever come across a carcass or even old remains of one. I mean we have found ancient remains of dinosaurs for crying out loud. We can't even find a single bone of a sasquatch, which supposedly is roaming the Pacific Northwest and other parts of the world in the present day? Total nonsense.

Hey Dave besides bones/carcass/pieces my late Dad always said in the 1970's when Bigfoot mania literally exploded "if he is as big as they say he is then they would find huge craps somewhere" almost 50 years later and still waiting LOL


one of the other Giants boards posted a video from 2015 Sassquatchucettes group searching western MASS thinking they were close to finding the elusive Boston Bigfoot.  Really? hahahah

Quote from: kartanoman on November 13, 2008, 04:30:55 PM
Good article, Rob ... thanks for posting!

Ironically, I have that 1970 pre-season game on DVD ... the official opener of Three Rivers Stadium. Tarkenton didn't play for the Giants that day as he was being held out as a precautionary measure for an injury. Instead, the golden arm of Dick Shiner was featured in NY's attack and, as you can see by the final score, was a little lackluster to say the very least! Tarkenton gave a pretty good interview on the sidelines between plays, though.

It's funny but I remember the 1979 pre-season game very well although I don't have a video copy of it. It ended at 10-3 Steelers but Simms played very well as I recall. 

I was 10 at the time but remember how excited my father was about Simms and that he used to tell me that he is going to be for the Giants what Bradshaw was to the Steelers ... perhaps he even read Vinny's article back in the day before he told me that!

Sure enough, 10 years after that pre-season game at Three Rivers, Simms already had one NFL Championship and was gearing the club up for another.

Peace!

I was 15 yrs old at the time of the 1979 draft and my Dad said the same thing "it looks like they got another Bradshaw!"

a very hot (90+) opening day 1980 @ Busch Stadium a 41-35 shootout win over the Crudinals, Simms throws 5 TD passes, 4 to Earnest All the way Gray, my Dad turns to me as the Crudinal fans are booing loudly "they finally got a QB, they finally got a QB"...how true that was

Quote from: kartanoman on June 15, 2007, 09:14:01 AM
First, thanks to Rich for creating this history forum and I hope it becomes an active place with everyone's best and worst memories of the club's long and storied history.

I've spent the better part of the week converting old WPIX broadcasts of the Giants' pre-season games from 1986. Apart from listening to Sam Rosen and Bobby Duhon call all the action, as well as watch what was an endless run of Kaufman Carpets commericals (you remember the jingle ... "Kaufman, the carpet experts ... we've got it all!")  ;D , it was interesting watching the Giants take their first steps into a season that would yield the most vivid memories etched forever in our minds as the "salad days" ... accoring to DomT.

Watching the first team take the field, there was no doubting the Giants were going to make waves during the season. The biggest issue during that pre-season was the holdout of Joe Morris due to contractual issues. The Giants tried using the tandem of Lee Rouson, Maurice Carthon and even Tony Galbreath to mitigate the effect of Joe's absence. It became apparent, as the pre-season wore down, that everyone was getting increasingly nervous the longer Joe held out.

Another interesting battle was the battle of beleaguered place-kickers Eric Schubert and Ali Haji-Sheikh. With the Sheikh unable to stay healthy, and Schubert still not having recovered from the poor playoff performance the season before, Parcells dumped both of them and started the season with FA signing Bob Thomas.

The Giants started the pre-season with a loss to the Falcons at Fulton County Stadium by a score of 31-24. With Phil Simms at the helm to start the game, the Giants built up a 14-0 first half lead. As the starters were replaced, the Falcons took the game over and an errant throw by Jeff Rutledge, due largely to the wideout not running his route correctly, was returned for what would be the winning points.

The following week, at Milwaukee's County Stadium, the Giants started Jeff Hostetler against the Packers. Though he struggled a bit, he did put together a nice drive which culminated in a TD toss to Mark Bavaro. Simms came on later in the second quarter and methodically marched the team down for another TD which provided the winning points in what would be a 22-14 win.

The Jets game took place the following week and it was a spirited game to say the least! In this game, the Giants' defense had a chance to make a statement with a late goal-line stand and they came through by halting the Jets when it mattered to win the game 20-14.

The finale against the Steelers was the most dominant performance by the team as they streaked away to a 17-3 win and wondered how they were going to face the Cowboys a week later without their prized running back (i.e. Morris).

As it panned out, Morris signed in the 11th hour and made it to the field to play against the Cowboys.

In summary, I'm not sure I'm trying to make a point here; however, the nostalgia I felt watching the sowing of the seeds of a championship season ... thinking back to how I felt about the team at that time ... remembering the great WPIX coverage of the games with all the old commercials and all ... I just wanted to write about it as I'm sure some of you have gone through that experience before.

Peace!

awesome thread..

oddity

That Falcons game was on a Wednesday!  August 6th 1986.  I cant recall if the NYG's have played a preseason game on a WED night since....


also the Joe Morris holdout and subsequent foot injury/infection that caused him to miss week 4 @ home 20-17 come from behind victory vs the Saints, was the main catalyst for Young & Parcells acquiring oj Anderson from the Crudinals.  Lee Rouson did a good job vs the Saints, something like 24-78 yrds...but he was not gonna be the answer if something happened to Joe Morris.  OJ Anderson was and Harry Carson said after the season: "I knew when Bill got OJ that we meant business and we were going all out"

Hi all

I asked this question on the old Giants.com circa 2000....

name the 2 players that were in the huddle for both:

the 1972 Immaculate reception (Pittsburg vs Oakland)

the 1978 "fumble game" (NYG vs Philly)


extra credit

Name the ex NYG whom was involved in the immaculate reception?

Name the ex NYG LBer that was on the Steelers, and if not for a broken neck suffered in 1973, might have been the Steeler MLB on the Super Bowl teams?


double extra credit


name the player the NYG's traded for with the Steelers for the ex NYG's asked in the extra credit question?

one group not mentioned on that program or in here.

1963 Bears - Joe Fortunato, Bill George, Larry Morris

Please don't forget to add Joe Don Looney to this group of baby bulls! 

He was the very first Baby Bull drafted....and never played a regular season game for the Giants

Quote from: President Rick on May 26, 2009, 01:53:46 PM
a good read about the Giants of that Tark-Sherman-Jones era was an Eliot Asinof  book titled Seven Days to Sunday.

Hey Rick -  I have a copy of the book in my hands right now. 

Tarkenton on Jones:  "its like throwing to a man riding a bicycle with a butterfly net"

Quote from: spiderblue43 on October 03, 2014, 09:21:53 PM
GO,

I do remember some of the 1968 season.. The Giants had trampled the Steelers, Eagles and Redskins (Ronnie Blye did run a kickoff back for a td somewhere) and someone else...but flopped against the Falcs, a bad loss that would portend their mediocrity.  I remember being at fan appreciation day at Shea Stadium in 1968 with the Mets (got a knit cap) looking at the scoreboard crushing the Skins. It seemed like the team had turned it around. Do you remember the TV Guide listings with the actual players and roster numbers?

And that loss dispelled any hopes of being elite. They weren't solid, although Tark really did add juice from the moribund mid-sixties. He was special, although not as good as they'd hoped. To trade Tark off was a huge mistake in hindsight, but that was a dysfunctional era in Giant management. Keep Tark. Pay him and you don't have to slog through Craig Morton and Joe CFL. When teams get to transition Qb's (like GB and Indy)..it makes all the difference from contender to pretender.

Hey Spiderblue43 - Tark no longer wanted to be a NYG.  It was a messy and long divorce that started in the summer with Tark boycotting preseason game 1, a 35-6 loss vs the Houston Oilers. Tark was making approx. 120K a year and wanted 150-160K a year AND a loan to start a business in Georgia.  He returned to the team the next week.   Tark had a starting/playing streak of 103 games that ended with a week 14, a 42-28 loss to the Eagles @ Yankee. Qb Randy Johnson had a hell of a game, something like 30-45 340 yards, 4 td's.  Tark didn't even hold for the place kicks therefore his streak was stopped.  When HC Alex Webster was asked after the game "what happened to Tark and his playing streak? why did you start Randy Johnson?" Webster answered: "I don't give a xxxx about fucking Franny Tarkentons streak. we were trying to win the god damn game and Randy Johnson gave us the best chance."....nearly 1 month later (Jan 1972) the trade to the Vikes.


postscript:  Webster's words were not printed for us to read however this response was confirmed by a NY Giant beat writer whom covered them at the time.  He told me at camp in 2002: "Tark and Webster got along fine until that year (1971).  something happened to that relationship and they were the same again" 

leading up to a week 14 1973 Vikings @ Giants, Webster held his normal conference call with the opposing teams beat writers at the Captians Table taking questions when Tarkenton came on the call..Webster said "Hi Tiger how ya doing? you sure are playing well this year"...Tark: "who is that speaking?"...webster "Its Al, hey you guys are looking great"....Tarkenton "Al who?".....OUCH!