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Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 29, 2024, 11:23:45 AMYou might be correct , but the point of my post is not to overlook the Commanders. The Barkley thought was an after thought

I trust that you aren't suggesting that the Giants are in a position to overlook any of the 31 others- just teasing.

In any case, whatever improvement occurs with the Commanders will be due more likely to the performance of their new QB than to that of Barkley should they decide to pay him no less than the $10 million he got from last year's tagging. And by the way, I have a feeling that it won't be long before I conclude that I'd much rather have Ben Johnson than Brian Daboll as my HC.

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If they can't get or don't take Nabers or Odunze with their first pick, they almost certainly will use their pick 39 on a WR in what seems to be a deep draft for big, fast X- types. That would include not just Leggette, but very definitely FSU's Coleman, Oregon's Franklin, and LSU's Thomas.

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For me, the question is, did Mara hire Schoen and Daboll as a package, or was it Schoen that he wanted and so left the HC decision to his new GM as is generally the case? The answer may be what determines the future for one (Daboll) or both depending on the team's performance.

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Quote from: LennG on January 26, 2024, 05:19:15 PMSorry but the days of BPA should have ended a long time ago. When you have needs, you simply need to address them.

And how, at 6, did we force Jones onto this team? Jones was Gettleman's choice long before we moved up the mike to announce our pick. Most had Jones going mid to late rd 1, or even early round 2. I think that was Jones's biggest prpblem, his #5 draft #.

The Jones pick was forced because Gettleman ignored the one BPA rule that should never be violated which was his use of a first round pick, much less a No.2 overall, on a Running Back.

It may be true that Jones was ranked by most 'perts behind Haskins, a Bust and Lock, a Backup but  we can't even say for sure that they'd have been better off if they had traded up for Murray once  they learned that Herbert decided to stay in school and broke their heart.

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According to reports, Belichick is no fan of John Mara (and his FO nephew, Tim McDonnell) and how they have been running the team. As he was a big fan of Wellington Mara, it seems to be rather personal. 

I can't help but repeat what I have said many times since they first showed Toney on Draft Day standing in the middle of his family's living room hiding behind that dumb friggin hoodie, namely - Gettleman, you're an idiot. And in both cases, I was right, much to my regret.

It should be quite clear that the Giants primary consideration regarding its Quarterback will be to determine whether or not Daniel Jones is to remain as such beyond this year. As most Giants fans seem to have a negative view of DJ, and thus prefer to think of it as his last- fearing only that he might actually perform well enough to make it less than certain- the question becomes, do they look for a true successor now, or simply for a backup in a latter round or FA?

There have been 41 quarterbacks drafted in the 1st Round since 2011, the year the NFL changed the collective bargaining agreement to set a wage scale for rookie deals, making it much more affordable to draft a Quarterback.

Those 41 QBs taken in Round 1 have made 1956 starts with a W-L record of 1046-1058-7 which, quite obviously is less than .500, make of it what you will. While that is not to suggest that it defines success in each of those 13 past seasons, the fact is that Patrick Mahomes is the only one of the 41 who has thus far led his team to a Lombardi. Now then, it will be up to 2016 1st overall, Jared Goff or 2018's 32nd overall, Lamar Jackson to make it otherwise. We do see the point in it, no?

In any case, of the 28 not still on their rookie deal, only 11 were given a second contract by the team which drafted them. Either they were cut or their contracts expired. All together, these 41 quarterbacks have played in a total of 215 seasons since being drafted. Yet in only 42 of those 215 seasons (19.5%) did the team that drafted the quarterback make the playoffs.

That's not the sort of thing which compels me to start picking and choosing and pro and conning the 6 or 7 or 8 names being tendered as DJ's potential successor even if we feel that he belongs in that 1 in 5 category while not being able to do more than to define a lack of success.

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Quote from: MightyGiants on January 26, 2024, 10:09:42 AMIt seems pretty clear Brian Daboll has some rough edges that need polishing.  Who better to help Brian Daboll take his coaching game to the next level than Bill Belichick?   Bill has the gravitas that I think Brian would heed his advice, and Bill certainly has a lot to offer.  Plus, if the Giants hire a less experienced DC, Bill would certainly be a good resource for that coach as well.


From Bill's perspective I would think a less demanding consulting job would be a better option than simply sitting out a year in the NFL and hoping he gets a HC job next year (when he is even older).

Little Bill doesn't even know the meaning of the word, consult. And if current impressions hold, he'd be the last guy I could see working constructively with Daboll. Sure, he may love football and all that, but his goal is 15 more wins to pass Shula as the Winningest Coach of All Time and for that consulting or coordinating will be no interest to him. 

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The following is a look head assessment not an analysis or comparison of Daniel Jones in retrospect. In this particular Walter Football instance, can we find instruction despite our now firmly entrenched biases concerning the Giants pre-2019 Draft and more importantly the accuracy of all such predicates of the kind of which we can expect to be deluged in the next three months?


Daniel Jones Scouting Report
By Charlie Campbell

Strengths:
Above-average accuracy
Can throw a fastball into tight windows
Good height
Able to loft in touch passes
Throws a very catchable ball
Stands tall in the pocket despite the rush
Good field vision at times
Moves his eyes
Works through his progression
Can throw receivers open
Can push the ball downfield
Throws a good deep ball
Has more mobility than many realize
Can buy time or pick up yards on the ground
Good size for a NFL starting quarterback
Intelligent
Shows the ability to read defenses
Knows where his receivers are on each play
Upside

Weaknesses:
Will throw into coverage that he shouldn't
Needs to improve timing
Holds the ball too long
Could shorten his delivery
Broken collarbone in 2018


Summary: Duke's head coach, David Cutcliffe, is one of the most valued and respected quarterback gurus in football. He was the coaching mentor to both Peyton and Eli Manning, and at Duke, Cutcliffe provided Jones very good preparation for the NFL over his three years as the Blue Devils' starting quarterback.

As a freshman, Jones connected on 63 percent of his passes for 2,836 yards with 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions. In 2017, he completed 56 percent of his passes for 2,439 yards with 12 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. Jones had his best season in 2018, despite dealing with some injuries. He completed 61 percent of his passes on the year for 2,674 yards with 22 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Many around the league thought Jones would return for his redshirt senior year, but he decided to jump to the next level and declared for the 2019 NFL Draft.

There is a lot to like about Jones, and he has the potential to be a franchise quarterback with his ability to be a pro-style pocket passer. Jones has a strong arm and can really spin the ball. That was clearly seen by area scouts and the rest of the league at the Senior Bowl. Jones has the ability to make all the throws needed for the NFL. He can loft in touch passes downfield and throw some fastballs into tight windows. Jones is very good at putting air underneath his touch passes to drop them in the bucket and throws a very catchable ball.

Jones has been well prepared for the NFL, as he is an intelligent signal-caller. In speaking to one NFC general manager, they really liked how Jones knew where all of his receivers would be and was able to move to them when he had to throw under duress. Jones has quality field vision and works beyond his primary read. He does a decent job of dissecting the coverage the defense is employing, and is able to manipulate coverage with his eyes.

In the face of a rush, Jones stands tall and keeps his eyes downfield while the rush closes in on him. While Jones is not a dynamic runner for the NFL, he does move around pretty well and can pick up some yards on the ground while also being able to buy time through scrambling. Additionally, Jones can make some nice throws on the run. Given the speed of pro defenders, Jones is not a true rushing threat, but he can be functional enough to dodge some sacks and pick up some yards on the ground when nothing is open downfield.

As a passer, Jones does have things to work on for the NFL. He can hold the ball too long and not pull the trigger fast enough. With the speed of pro defenses, Jones has to be more decisive and get the ball out faster when he has an open receiver. Jones' timing should improve with more experience and coaching. There were also too many times when Jones would force some throws into coverage. He can trust his arm too much and sometimes throws passes that he shouldn't. It also wouldn't hurt Jones to shorten his delivery, which will help him to be effective for the faster pro game with its smaller windows of time to complete passes. It would also help him by reducing the time for pass-rushers to get to him.

For the 2019 NFL Draft, Jones looks like a consensus first-round pick from speaking with team sources. He could become a franchise quarterback and be a good pro starter. Three general managers told me they thought that Jones would rise in the leadup to the draft and be the first quarterback taken. Regardless of if he is the initial signal-caller to go off the board, Jones should be a top-20 pick.


Player Comparison: Eli Manning. Jones has the look of a Manning with his strong arm, pocket presence, field vision, and passing polish. In terms of his flaws, Jones is more similar to Eli Manning than Peyton Manning.

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Quote from: katkavage on January 26, 2024, 01:59:59 PMWe shall see how patient Schoen is when a quarter of the season in he waits for his oft-injured, big money, mediocre QB to return to that middling form. That he has the blessing of the owner helps, the impatient fans, not so much.

Never mind the "we shall see" hedge given how certain you are otherwise. Might you not want to tell us who will, not just should- whatever it takes- be the Giants Day One starting QB as soon as you could and would arrange it? No hedging in terms of availability or any other cop-out. We need a share of your certainty.

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Would I be happy? Very happy if they are able to get Malik Nabers with their No.6 pick but less so thereafter as my "needs/target" priority list differs from PFF's. That's assuming, of course, that their current 5 slots remain as they are.

I do not see the Giants targeting a CB in Round 2(39) rather I see it as an either-or decision involving Odunze and Alt should they not get Nabers at 6. Then either an OT like Jordan Morgan or an IOL like Jackson Powers-Johnson or alternatively a WR like Xavier Worthy.

I haven't satisfied myself as to whom and in what combination of DB, ER, and/ or DT, I would hope they might be able to maximize value, but J.J. McCarthy is the one 2nd Day QB who really does interest me in the current circumstance.

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Bowers is a top-5 talent as a receiver and run blocker. While I think of it as almost certain that the Giants will use the No.6 pick on a receiver, I expect that it will be a WR like Washington's Rome Odunze or LSU's Malik Nabers, the latter currently being the Mockateers consensus favorite by a wide margin.

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I would hate to see them have to let him walk but whether or not they can do a tag and trade, c'est au revoir, Saquon. Bonne chance et meilleurs voeux!

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Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2024, 11:45:21 AMI am not sure this can be framed as a Daboll vs Wink issue.

Nor am I, which is why I suggested that the incompatibility between Brian Daboll and his former DC, Wink Martindale, was at best an individual issue or at worst something more systemic.

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Whomever and whatever initiated and propagated the incompatibility between Brian Daboll and his former DC, Wink Martindale, it was at best an individual issue or at worst something more systemic.

Either way, it will be up to Daboll to ensure that at all times his role is to serve the organization and team's best interests. That may require wisdom gained from self-reflection as was so with Tom Coughlin who understood that the only success is that of the team.

In any case, let us not assume more than we should in our eagerness to solve a problem not of our making if indeed one should prove to actually exist. And if it does, we know what will be its solution.

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