Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 13, 2023, 10:35:23 AMGreat quote!

I'm going to address the elephant in the room. I think most all of us here like Brian Daboll the man and we all want him to succeed. It's also very distasteful to replace yet another HC after two seasons and after he showed so much promise last season.

It's becoming quite apparent to some of us who aren't blinded into thinking the criticism is an overreaction and I'm referring to some of the players, media, fans outside and in here, that Brian Daboll is a classic Peter Principal.

He's a very good OC, Play Caller and QB Guru. He may not be Head Coach material.

Can he learn? Can he reinvent himself? Absolutely he can with the right team of coaches around him and a solid cast of players.

He has to separate his personal feelings for the players and coaches from influencing his decisions.

He fully supported Daniel Jones. His input to Schoen had to influence the decision to bring in receiving weapons instead of better Oline players and depth.

He fully supported Bobby Johnson over two seasons of poor results in development of his players and the decision to rotate the players in camp.

He has developed a working relationship with Kafka because he's subservient and he's mentoring him. But Kafka is a lousy game coach and has designed both good and bad plays but sticks with what doesn't work. What the heck was with that comical wildcat clusterfuck? Why did he abandon the run early on and then become so predictable with it later on in the season?

Daboll is making poor in game decisions.

He's become so emotional in real time that even when he restrains himself, he's so scrambled he can't think straight and now his players are having emotional outbursts on the sidelines, which disrupts the focus and resiliency of the team. When McKinney slams the DC, it's not an outlier. It's a symptom of what's being whispered in the locker room.

Then I have to criticize Schoen for not properly supporting Daboll and that goes back to decisions made before the season started and by not bringing in a QB after Tyrod went down. Tommy DeVito is a tough kid, well liked and a natural leader as well as a nice feel good story but he was clearly not prepared or ready to step in. At some point the Defense has their minds on what's going on with that lousy Offense and they will mail it in.

The next few weeks will determine the future of Brian Daboll as the Head Coach of the NYGs.

Why do you suppose he was so successful last year?

Quote from: Giant Jim on November 13, 2023, 10:10:45 AMAt this point, I will be pissed if the Giants lose another game. I'm sick of losing.

Prepare to be pissed.  They are unlikely to win a game Devito starts and if they have any sense about them he'll start every game from here on out.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 13, 2023, 10:11:01 AMThat adds another $22 million to his 2024 $47 million dollar cap hit.

That was tongue in cheek obviously.  He should be sent to the bench for the season though assuming the new QB is ready to go. I just hold him as responsible as anybody for the disaster of this season so some sort of repercussions should befall him.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 13, 2023, 10:05:21 AMWhich coaches, front office, and support people would you show the door after the season?

Daniel Jones.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 13, 2023, 09:19:06 AMDoes anyone think Stroud would have made a difference in this team yesterday?

 

I sure as hell do.

I just don't understand what Daboll should have been able to do.  He and Schoen based every offseason decision on Jones taking another step forward.  Once he took a Giant leap backwards instead the season was tanked.  Taylor wasn't winning 9 games.  Devito certainly isn't going to win a game.  And that's not his fault or Daboll's fault.  Stuff happens.  Next year they will have a new QB and if the Giants get even close to the production from that guy that the Texans are getting out of Stroud they'll be better than they were even last season.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 13, 2023, 07:44:44 AMThe Patriots to me are a much bigger threat (to pick before us) than the Cards at this point. I know everyone thinks Kyler Murray is a bum, but his presence unquestionably makes that team a lot better than it was before.

The Pats legitimately stink, and also we know for certain that they're not a trustworthy organization. They could easily deliberately tank. I will say though, that doesn't really feel like something that a 71 year old Belichick and his five rings would sign up for. Especially if his job is supposedly on the line (which I don't really believe, but people are saying that).

No coach or player would or could ever throw a game. The front office can put obstacles in their way to help facilitate a loss but on game day those guys are trying to win. Even the Giants though it may not seem that way recently. The Pats are really terrible. But they do have at least one more winnable game on the schedule coming up. That game could very well be for the 2nd pick in the draft. Loser takes all!

Quote from: AYM on November 13, 2023, 06:38:00 AMChicago's won a game or two with the a QB with arguably less experience than DeVito going into the season.

And that's wonderful for them to have found a capable QB by accident. The Giants were not that fortunate. For every Brock Purdy there's about a million guys that don't even make a roster.

Quote from: Messiah717 on November 13, 2023, 05:38:10 AMThis team will be miserable the next several years. 

If they draft a capable QB they have enough picks/FA money to make the playoffs next year. But they HAVE to hit on the QB or nothing else matters.

Quote from: JT39 on November 13, 2023, 06:25:43 AMThis team is miles away from being a competitive outside a QB.

They did win 9 games last year. Got a few lucky breaks sure but 9 wins is 9 wins. The difference from that to this year was 1) OL injuries and 2) Jones reverting back to his old terrible performances. Stroud on this team wins 9 games easy and maybe more.

Quote from: JT39 on November 12, 2023, 09:47:03 PMNo they don't. The Texans have good OL, backups or not, and WRs who make plays.

Have you looked at those names? The only reason they're "making plays" is because the QB is getting them the ball. You put Stroud on the Giants and change nothing else and not only is he still an MVP candidate but Hyatt looks like Tyreek Hill or a young OBJ ans Waller looks like Travis Kelce without the Swifties.

So Andy Reid could take this offense as currently constructed and do something with it? Or maybe, juuuuust maybe, the coaches didn't forget how to coach from last year to this year and what we're seeing is a result of piss poor QB play as well as a carosel of OL moving in and out of the lineup every week. There's not a coach alive or dead that could get this offense to 20pts per game.

When the Giants draft a QB and that kid starts playing next season Daboll will miraculously remember how to coach again.

We should all probably come to terms right now with the fact that every game Devito starts, which could very well be all of them, is going to look like some variation of this. There's nothing we or Daboll or Kafka or Harbaugh or Bill Walsh can do about it. Yes challenging that first play was idiotic. But did it change absolutely anything? No. They were going to lose this game by 30 from the opening coin toss.

Which is why if the Giants choose wisely next April this rebuild gets right back on track. Outside of that one single position the Giants have an equal or perhaps even better roster than the Texans. But the difference in that one position is jarring.

Quote from: sooners56 on November 11, 2023, 10:17:50 PM2 years is plenty of time to know imo. Had any QB sucked for 2 years then all of a sudden became a good QB in year 3 or beyond? Geno? Can't really think of any others

Josh Allen was pretty bad those first two years wasn't he?