Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 25, 2023, 10:51:42 AMAnother great game by Bo Niks and on to revenge a missed FG loss to #4 Washington and Penix.

One thing you gotta love about Bo Niks is that he married a gal named Izzy Smoke. No, that's not a ?, it's a fact.

Cheers!

Daniel Jones will be the Giants starting QB in 2024, as long as he remains upright, as dictated by his cap cost- live and dead-period, full stop. That may indeed be the only "known" of likely consequence with 6 games still to play. More likely that they would have beaten Washington, last Sunday? Perhaps. More likely that the Cow even make to the Super Bowl for the first in 27 years? Hardly!

Cheers!

Bon jour! As long as you aren't too ragin' a cajun then bienvenue sur BBH. Fais comme chez vous.

At this point, under current circumstances, my thoughts re Barkley's workload over the remaining 6 games are a bit mixed. On the one hand, he is by far their most productive player on Offense and essential to whatever evaluation they must make concerning DeVito's future role. On the other hand, given DJ's 2024 salary cap cost-live and dead-I cannot imagine that they can or will re-sign Saquon.

Thus, I see no incentive in reducing his workload not just for the sake of the Offense, but also to be fair to the Defense, indeed to the entire organization. Beating Washington last Sunday kinda made it a moot point, ne c'est pas?

As for Andrew Thomas's situation, it's pretty clear to me that nothing should be allowed to threaten his future whether or not that might be the case with his recovery from his recent MCL "strain".

While certainly Schoen/Daboll et al now face a number of challenges, none come close to the one whose name is Daniel Jones.

Cheers!

I can only speak for myself, but the idea that I would I root for the Giants to lose a game for any reason is abhorrent to me. And while it may have taken 6 Washington TOs to ensure that it didn't happen again today, there was never a moment from KO to Tweeweeweet that I wasn't rooting like hell for the G-men. 

Cheers!

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 17, 2023, 12:49:58 PMLarry,

For what it's worth, I am not trying to start conspiracy theories, nor am I supporting them.  I have been hearing fans espousing conspiracy theories, and I was curious as to how wide spread such beliefs were among the fanbase.

I'm sorry, Rich. My critique was a bit harsh; tainted by my belief that despite the Mara's history of possessiveness and long stretches of football neuropathy, there really hasn't been a franchise which has had more success in the past 25 years other than the Bradyiots from whom Our Heroes snatched not one, but two Lombos.

Just think of Jerrah's Cows- America's Team per NFL Films, John Facenda- whose generally fickle fans have been living with high expectations without a single SB appearance for the past Quarter Century, post-Jimmy. Whereas the Giants, a team whose fans rarely if ever indulge their expectation, have in that time won 2 of 3 SBs with a rather proprietary family ownerships and otherwise similar amount of turnover in coaching staffs.

Does the question then arise as to how much of a difference is there between the Jerrah and the Mara?

Cheers!

It's a bit of stretch, isn't it. But, if the Bills were actually interested in making such a deal, my answer would then be NO!

Cheers!

While I am well aware of Giants ownerships long history of nepotism and cronyism which has never served it well, I have no interest in participating in such silly, meaningless, unconstructive, conspiracy-mongering in whatever form. 

Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on November 13, 2023, 10:45:51 AMThere is zero chance that Brian Daboll will not be the Giants HC in 2024. I repeat: zero, no chance, nil, Ney!, negative, nada. The reason should be obvious.

Even with the absence or unavailability of essential players at QB and throughout the roster, the team's performance, and outcomes are inexplicable to the owners, staff, players individually and as a whole, to the media, and to us chickens.

And to be sure, there is nothing to gained other than catering to our personal conceits by now concluding that last season's COTY was and is a fraud. Even if that was so, it does nothing to explain the facts of this otherwise inexplicable season nor will anything which occurs for better or worse over the remaining 7 games.

The tragedy of this season is that we now have even more unanswered questions and face greater challenges than we might have imagined. Still, there is nothing to be gained by indulging our frustration when otherwise guided by the evil twins, Rush and Rash.

Cheers! 

There is zero chance that Brian Daboll will not be the Giants HC in 2024. I repeat: zero, no chance, nil, Ney!, negative, nada. The reason should be obvious.

Even with the absence or unavailability of essential players at QB and throughout the roster, the team's performance, and outcomes are inexplicable to the owners, staff, players individually and as a whole, to the media, and to us chickens.

And to be sure, there is nothing to gained other than catering to our personal conceits by now concluding that last season's COTY was and is a fraud. Even if that was so, it does nothing to explain the facts of this otherwise inexplicable season nor will anything which occurs for better or worse over the remaining 7 games.

The tragedy of this season is that we now have even more unanswered questions and face greater challenges than we might have imagined. Still, there is nothing to be gained by indulging our frustration when otherwise guided by the evil wins, Rush and Rash.

Cheers! 

Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 09, 2023, 02:13:11 PMIf you get a top QB, your team doesn't have to fill all the holes. Eli took a very mediocre team to a Super Bowl championship in 2011. Mahomes is carrying a Chiefs team with big problems at WR. Burrow took a Bengals team with a horrid OL to the Super Bowl. We are going to take a big jump next year if we get the right QB.

I am sorry to have to repeat Dandy Don Merrideth's favorite saying: "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas" but if is and will always be the operative word when it comes to projecting then to now, now to future, and if to gift. How that is not always clear to us, those whose only ability is in second-guessing after the fact, is due it would seem to our "need to believe" and thus to sustain our fan-atic-dom.

Cheers!

Quote from: Philosophers on November 09, 2023, 10:34:52 AMYou can only draft a QB gunslinger if he is available to you.  You can't manufacture one.  Go get em but you better be right in your eval of him.

Is there anything more obvious than that, Joseph?
 
As Eli had just one winning season in his last 8 and went 9-26 at the end, it was not unreasonable for Gettleman to look to the Draft for a new starting QB. While by no means was everyone here happy when he used the overall No.2 pick on a RB even one as talented as Saquon, in hindsight, it doesn't seem all that likely that he would have come away with a Josh Allen instead of a Mayfield, Darnold, or Rosen or even less likely, Lamar Jackson.

While I personally believe that Gman would have grabbed Justin Herbert had he even expected him to be available the following year, I was not dismayed when he had not much choice but to take Daniel Jones with the 6th overall pick. Indeed, in watching DJ's Duke tapes where he looked like an Eli clone playing on a not very good team, I saw a lot of positives.

Even now, with his having had to play with a team with an often unimpressive lineup, with some questionable coaching, and nothing close to a history of consistently winning seasons, now compounded by serious durability concerns, I'm not interested in labeling DJ a bust, nor Schoen/Daboll for giving him the big 4-year deal.

That said, it doesn't alter the enormous challenge that all concerned now face nor make it any more certain that using whatever turns out to be their 1st Round pick on a new QB will prove to be the solution As I have said so often is that the NFL is, if nothing else, unpredictable.

Not that we need proof of such, but for Giants fans all that should be needed is to reflect on the fact that Eli Manning, whose regular season record has been described as "profoundly mediocre", somehow managed to win 2 Lombos by beating the Pats and their otherwise seemingly invincible GOAT.

Cheers!

Per the Athletic::

DeVito will be the 10th rookie quarterback to start a game this year, the most rookie starters since 1950. It's only Week 10! Bonkers.

Not even counting DeVito, 46 quarterbacks have started a game this year, 14 of whom did not begin this year as a starter.

I dare you, without cheating, to name the colleges for these QBs who have started a game in 2023: DeVito, Tyson Bagent, Aidan O'Connell, Clayton Tune and Jaren Hall. We'll run answers tomorrow for the good-hearted among you. What's also true: NFL QBs are getting younger — a lot younger — by average, as the older generation of signal callers slowly washes out after some astonishing longevity (Brees, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, etc.). Even before injuries to Aaron Rodgers and others, this year's Week 1 starting quarterbacks were the youngest in league history since 1957.

Cheers!

Had Justin Herbert not decided to stay in school for his Senior year, the G for Giants, G for Gettleman would have taken him over Daniel Jones with their 6th overall in 2019. Broke my heart it did. But as Dandy Don used to say, "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas."

Cheers!

My Three Uns

Unprepared, Unmotivated, Unfortunate

The first two are largely a matter of opinion; the third can be viewed as more a matter of fact.
While it may be seen as "splitting hairs" to distinguish between the words, unfortunate and unlucky, as both are a consequent of chance, I find use in applying the former to an event, and the latter to an individual.
More particularly, while I would essentially absolve individual players and staff from blame for current and past injury history, I cannot conclude the same for the events which have given cause to the serious dilemma now facing the Giants and their fans.

I don't really know why, but on Monday I posted a summary of the Giants Win/Loss records from 1925 to the present- regular seasons, playoffs, and championships. In so doing, however, it occurred to me that through the first 9 games, this season has a good chance to rank among the worst- certainly most unprepared, unmotivated- in team history beginning with the 0-40 loss to the Cows on opening day.

Moreover, while they have somehow managed to win 2 games, they have thus far scored the fewest points and have the League's only triple-digit negative scoring differential. That does tend to mute any thought that they were only truly non-competitive in the first and the latest of those 9 games. And so, as it now stands, then where are the Giants? Do we have any idea beyond the conundrum, the resident elephant who wears No.10 and answers to Danny Dimes?

It's really not yet  about Coaching issues or Saquon's future, or when can they field an above average Defense, or a better than Division 2 Oline? It's all about Daniel Jones. They began the season believing that he was worth $160 million as a starting and winning Quarterback while now with no such confirmation, no certainty about when he will be able to be able to play again next year, they are guaranteed to have to pay him more than half that total amount.

In the meantime, having added nothing of obvious value to the position or the team since, we can either show some discipline and let the season play out as it will or begin an orgy of speculation as to how high from 5 or 6, and at what cost, they will need to trade up (with DaBears?) for one of this year's so called, "sure things" if the Flaw of Averages doesn't intervene.

I suppose if we look at QB success rate by draft position 1-16 over past 25 years, the odds are about 80 percent favorable, about 65 pct. 17-32. Very quickly thereafter it goes from not good to bloody awful.

Me? I'm just gonna watch and let others, who feel otherwise, tie themselves in knots

Cheers!

And of course, none of what has been said should in any way minimizes the foundation provided to us by Rich and Ed and the Mod Team.

Cheers!