Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: londonblue on April 26, 2024, 08:10:46 AMWe were a bad team before we picked Nabers. We are still a bad team after the pick. We are a battered, rusting heap with an engine operating at half power (DJ), two good tires (AT, Dex), a nice stereo pass rush duo and an enhanced selection of shiny WR hood ornaments.

I am not sure there is much to be happy about as we are still a long way from competing. Getting another good player is nice but hardly cause for bunting and a parade.

not entirely wrong but very bleak perspective. you take elite playmakers when you can get them. this isnt barkley at 2 (position value argument). WR are very high positional value, and we got a VERY GOOD one. some say the best playmaker in the whole draft.

Sorry but JJ is a late 1st, 2nd round guy at best. maybe he'll wind up being really good. but getting him NOW also would not have moved the needle, as he would be sitting for at least a year anyway. We reinforced the oline (whether it works or not remains to be seen), and got dj a legit weapon. Things he has NEVER had. Let's see what happens with it. Either way, whether we took a qb this year or next year, they need a legit offensive weapon, and now we got one.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 07:51:48 AMTeam building is about increasing the team's overall talent level, ideally at key positions.  It's not about just one player, even QB.

totally agree. you need star and firepower. nabers gives us that type of juice. he is a PLAYMAYKER. regardless of who the qb is this guy will produce.

I am definitely excited. personally i think odunze was the better pick (dude's work ethic and charachter is absolutely top tier). something about nabers rubs me the wrong way a little, but i'm sure we will all grow to love him.

Although yes we need to address the qb situation, i am very happy we did not sell the house to get one. History shows at least half of those 6 first round qb's will fail.

For the way it went down, its a solid A pick for me.

Not the broccoli cut

if he's there at 6...so be it. I will not be happy if we give up the house to trade up, for any of these guys. we have 6 picks and holes everywhere. gotta make them count. my money is still on odunze.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 31, 2024, 03:04:07 PMhttps://sports.yahoo.com/rome-odunze-put-on-a-show-at-nfl-combine-then-did-something-rarely-ever-seen-043036778.html

This is why you draft Odunze, that coupled with the on field talent.

Work ethic. pride. a guy that was lock top 10 pick and didnt have to do anything to prove it, went out there and absolutely busted his butt to do better for HIMSELF.

all the mocks are saying nabers. who i think would be a great pick. for some reason i just see odunze becoming a more dominant receiver. especially on a team like ours. i could see nabers absolutly destroying it with a qb/offense like drew brees used to run. we are nothing close to that. we were always better with jump/contested balls, and thats what odunze does best. hes got amazing hands, body control, and leaping ability. if you have a qb that isnt dropping dimes, a guy like odunze is your best friend.

Quote from: Trench on April 21, 2024, 10:13:53 PMAs for the Giants regarding your description above, in my opinion we can also erase the name "Pickens" and insert the name "Jones" in the last paragraph

Jones was one of the toughest competitors i've ever seen. dude took beating after beating and kept going until he was either knocked silly with a concussion, or ripped his leg up. while the results were never there, no one can ever say the dude didnt give it EVERYTHING he had.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 21, 2024, 01:07:31 PMRich,

I would follow by saying I think the flaw in your assumption is the notion that if a very highly rated QB prospect like Trevor Lawrence is underwhelming in the NFL, it must be because his surrounding cast isn't good enough. I disagree with that. Just because a QB is a top prospect does not mean he will be good in the NFL, and if he isn't, it is not always because he doesn't have enough around him. Some prospects pan out better than others for reasons that extend beyond supporting cast.

The Giants had a bad supporting cast in 2018. If we could go back in time and redo that draft, I think we can agree we wouldn't take Barkley 2nd overall. With the knowledge you have today, whom would you pick if you could redo it? Would you take Josh Allen or Quentin Nelson (or someone else)?

josh allen all day. however...you can argue the bills were/are better at any point since then, than the giants have been at any point since then.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 21, 2024, 07:20:55 AMYou look at the Jags and the Chargers squandering their elite QB prospect cheap rookie years and you have to question the wisdom of grab a QB no matter what

nailed it.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 20, 2024, 07:48:58 PMI understand the point Foxworth is making here, and I know many on this forum share his view, but I just see it differently myself. I think QB is just too important a position in the modern NFL to be messing around with. By that I mean if you're a QB-needy team, and you have an opportunity to get a QB you're very high on, you simply can't pass that up, no matter what the rest of your team looks like. I don't believe any team that is without a good QB has the luxury of doing things in a certain pre-determined order designed to make everything perfect when the new QB arrives. I'd be fine with that approach if I were reasonably confident that I would have a solid chance of getting a very good QB in any draft, as I am with most other positions, no matter where I'm picking, but that just isn't the reality. It's hard enough to get a good QB near the top of the draft. When you're picking say 18th it's just that much harder. If you don't have a good one, and you have one you really believe in in your sights in the draft, you have to pull the trigger there every time in my opinion. If the rest of the offense is so bad that you're worried about it stunting the QB's development or "ruining" him, then you can keep him on ice for a year or two if you want while you make upgrades, but you don't pass up getting him into your organization when you have the opportunity. These opportunities are just too elusive.

As a related point, I found it peculiar that Foxworth brought up three recent history examples of where his point wasn't true. Three is not a small number in this context. There aren't that many great QBs in any given decade. He kind of defeated, or at least significantly weakened, his own point by bringing those guys up.

very true..but also hard to make quality upgrades when you give up high draft capital to make the big move for the qb.

Quote from: madbadger on April 20, 2024, 02:33:34 PMInterestingly enough I think this is the first time since Eli retired that we might have a line and skill position group that won't hold the quarterback back. Don't get me wrong they're not good enough to win the Super Bowl but it won't be like Jones first four years in the league.

The one mistake they could make is to go all in and move up in the draft because we need each of our picks. IMHO if someone offered us two firsts and a second to trade up with us I'd do it to continue to flesh out our roster hoping to go all in on a guy next year with the additional picks.

agreed. lets continue to get this oline right, and take a top receiever and see how jones does. OR, trade down, again see how the oline does, and if they show improvement and jones stinks again, use the picks next year to move up and get our guy, when we have a better situation. plus it would be much easier to move on from jones next year than this year.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 19, 2024, 02:33:18 PMSo we were the 30th last year? Maybe I'm not remembering right, but I had thought the claim made by some here was that the line began to suddenly play much better once Jones went down, allowing the journeyman backup and undrafted rookie third string QB to perform better than Jones did.

If it was indeed the case that Tyrod and DeVito enjoyed better O line play than Jones, how did the line still ultimately only finish 3rd from the bottom of the league?

they got thomas back and got some continuity, same guys playing week in week out. did jones have a two games with the same line at any point last year?

I've heard things like "he's the best WR in the draft in a GREAT wr draft".

I cant say i'd love a TE at 6, but he gets that "generational talent" tag thrown around a bit. look, if the guy winds up being the next kelce or kittle, hes EVERY bit worth the 6th overall pick. if hes the next evan engram, we have yet another huge setback.

I'd be very cautiously optimistic. I think we have bigger needs. We've had some decent tight ends and never found a way to maximize their ability. He would probably he a waste here, a la saquon. Get a true #1 receiver (odunze), a qb (still wouldnt be my favorite but hey you gotta swing for the fences with qbs), or some more oline help. These are all more important than a TE that isnt known for being a complete TE.

Quote from: babywhales on April 09, 2024, 03:34:58 PMAll those picks and no ability to make sure the proper coaches were in place to develop them.

this has to be it. theres no way ALL these guys sucked so bad. and even the proven vets we brought in struggled.