Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: kingm56 on April 12, 2024, 12:01:31 PMAre you guessing, or have you looked that numbers? Kick off coverage is middle of the pack, as is punt return at 8.9 yard per return.  Your reply is the very definition of confirmation bias.  You "remember", vice looking at the actual data. 

Hmm, wonder why you didn't mention their 30th ranked kick return average? Or their 31st ranked FG made %. Or their 27th ranked punting average.

Their highest rank in any of the main STs categories is 19th. And with so many ranked in the 30s, not sure what your issue is with saying they stink.

The data backs it up. Despite your unfounded claims of bias.

This is why I don't get the "Bowers at 6" love. The comp people keep throwing around is Kittle. Which, to me, is being generous to Bowers and would represent a best-case scenario.

So let's continue to be generous and say he has a 50-50 shot at achieving the Kittle comp. Kittle's career averages are 65 catches, 900 yards, and 5 TDs a year. Those are not #6 pick numbers.

If I'm picking someone that high, I want someone with Jar'Marr Chase's numbers - 90 catches, 1,230 yards, and 10 TDs a year. And yes, I get they're different positions. But the point is that Nabers and / or Odunze will be there and offer Chase-level production.

Drafting Bowers that high would be a colossal mistake.

Quote from: kingm56 on April 12, 2024, 07:41:34 AMAs it relates to ST, a lot fans have confirmation bias.  The reality is, the Giants averaged 42.3 (net) on punt returns (top 50%).

Thanks to an anemic offence (the real problem), the Giants ranked 3rd in punts (95); the high volume of punts created more opportunity for bigger plays, which is the impetus of the confirmation bias.  Fans remember big plays and assume ST coverage is a real trouble area.  However, on average, they were just slightly above the 50% line.  In short, punt return coverage hasn't been a major problem.

Again, I don't believe Boykin will make the roster; he does provide some size on a very small WR unit. 

There's way more to special teams than punt return coverage. The Giants had FGs blocked, yet I can't remember the last time they blocked one. They gave up huge kick returns, yet I can't remember the last big one they had. And same goes for their own punt returns - pedestrian, at best.

There's absolutely no confirmation bias regarding our ST. They stink and have stunk for a long time.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 10, 2024, 04:39:05 PMPay the price, we've seen over and over that you can build good teams with out 1st rd picks. The 49ers weren't phased by the multiple 1sts they paid for trey Lance much less all they used to get Mccarthy.

That and the Rams won a super bowl with no 1st rd picks for a decade.


You either have a qb or you don't, you have to get the guy if you think he is a guy.

The irony of "trading multiple 1sts for Lance" as a proof point for success.

I'd break my TV.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 04, 2024, 10:27:16 AMActually, they draft 28.   After the first 3 WRs are gone the closest thing to sure things will be gone.   The Bills could draft a WR at 28 and he might be good, but it's far from certain he would be as good as Diggs.

Not true. One of the surest things in this draft is Ladd McConkey.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on April 03, 2024, 05:54:59 PMJust seems like a draft like this would benefit the team in the short term and long term regardless of who in under center. Roll with Jones, Luck and Cutlets and worry about a QB next year


6-Rome Odunze WR


47-Trey Benson RB


70-Ben Sinnott  TE


107-Mason McCormick  Guard

Way too many holes on this team to waste 47 on a RB.

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 03, 2024, 11:54:42 AMSome of those players have hit their peak and or will have dropped off a bit. Kupp, Diggs, Aiyuk, Allen...

Hyatt and Robinson (injured) both now have a full season even though their playing time was limited.

This is their pivotal season. Wait and see.

Aiyuk just turned 26 and is younger than Slayton. He almost had more yards than our trio combined, and he did have more TDs than all of them combined.

Our trio isn't in the same universe as any of the units listed in the graphic. Compared with the rest of the NFC, the only team with a worse WR trio is the Cards (which will change after they draft MHJ) and maybe the Falcons.

Quote from: katkavage on April 02, 2024, 01:31:28 PMPenix and Nix have potential to be starters. Lock is locked in as a backup.

I will break my TV if the Giants waste a pick on Bo Nix. He's only 2.5 years younger than DJ and has 0% chance of being a franchise QB.

His ceiling is significantly lower than any of the other top QB prospects.

Quote from: GloryDays on March 29, 2024, 01:29:03 PMBoth pretty even for me. My preference though is to trade down to around 18, get extra high picks, including a  second and a third this year, so instead we can come out with:

1- WR Ladd McConkey
2a- DL Darius Robinson or Braden Fiske
2b- CB Cool-Aid McKinstry or Mike Sainristil
3a- TE Ben Sinnott
3b- OT Roger Rosengarten

So by going for a WE prospect who is rated below the top 4 (but probably as good, if not better) we haul in 2 additional prospects who can be immediate upgrades

Trading down from 6 to 18 wouldn't net a 2nd and 3rd. Per the value chart, it would be a 2nd and pick swap in the 3rd. I'm not interested in moving down in 2 rounds just to get an extra second.

Wilson is a fine prospect - minus the injury history - but this team has far too many holes to draft a LB. McFadden is not a star, but he's at least average to slightly above average. And with Burns, KT, and Okereke the rest of the group is locked in.

We need a starting WR, OG, DL, CB, S, maybe a TE if Waller retires. Wilson and LB is a luxury this team can't afford.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 29, 2024, 10:40:56 AMOption 1 and it's not close.  Live that haul at three important positions.  Walker is a very good WR.  Daniel Jeremiah loves him.  Beebe solves our LG hole with new blood.

I'm a big Walker fan, as well. Not sure he lasts until 70 after his combine performance, but some mocks have him going late third. I see at least 10 WRs going in first two rounds, and it might take guys like Wilson and Pearsall also going in order for Walker to fall to us.

I'd REALLY love to get Fiske, though. Dex, Burns, KT, and Fiske would be an absolute problem for opposing OLs. They'd get so much attention, Okereke and McFadden could roam free.

Which draft would you prefer?

6. JJ McCarthy, QB, Mich.
47. Cooper Beebe, OG, K. St.
70. Tez Walker, WR, UNC

6. Malik Nabers, WR, LSU
47. Braden Fiske, DL, Fla. St.
70. Khyree Jackson, CB, Ore.

He's been cleared for football activities.

Typically I'm against signing guys with recent injury history, but he's someone I'd be willing to roll the dice on. Still only 25 and has averaged 5.8 ypc in his career.

I'd be down with a low base salary, high incentive contract for him over a couple of years. Think he'd make for a great complement to Singletary.

I expect them to be doing their due diligence on Nabers, of course, but I've also been wondering lately about Daniels.

Saw an article stating there were several picks "locked in" including Williams to Bears, Maye to Pats, MHJ tk Cards, Bowers to Jets, and Verse to Atl.

Not that I believe the article 100%, but I thought it interesting that they had Maye as a lock at 3 but not Daniels as a lock at 2. And then I got to thinking, with all the McCarthy buzz, could the Skins really be deciding between Daniels and JJ? If they shocked everyone and went JJ, that would conceivably leave Daniels available at 6.

Given all the new info we have, what would be your preference for the Giants at 6 if things went Williams, JJ, Maye, MHJ, Nabers?