Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: True Blue on October 17, 2023, 09:56:38 PMMentioned it in anaother thread, but the fact people suddenly care about TDs when DJ is not involved is absolutely ironic

When did I say that I don't care about touchdowns? You don't win football games without them.

Quote from: Trench on October 17, 2023, 04:17:41 PMPlease consider watching Amani Toomer's post game comments from 27:25-27:55.

https://www.giants.com/video/giants-postgame-live-takeaways-from-week-6-x9885

I think what Toomer says is reflective of what many have been attempting to articulate. In any event, it is another metric to utilize in the overall evaluation of the QB.

That Taylor led offense led to zero touchdowns and two goal line failures. Tell me again how the offense looked better under Taylor than Jones.

Quote from: Philosophers on October 17, 2023, 07:41:00 PMI busted his chops.  I never thought it was not serious injury.  I don't understand how a toe injury warrants a cart ride.

Rupture 3 or 4 of the four major ligaments attaching your big toe to your foot and go for a stroll. I bet no one here could make it more than ten feet. That is a really painful injury.

They weren't specific about the injury to his toe during the telecast but if Ezeudu has grade 3 or 4 turf toe he's done for the regular season as that requires surgical repair. It would make sense if they're adding lineman that he might be headed to the IR.

Our two kickers are elite. Our coverage teams not so much.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 17, 2023, 12:10:31 PMDan Duggan
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Daniel Jones to
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 on why he didn't play on Sunday: "Obviously still dealing with some of the symptoms from it." He declined to get into specifics, although he told NBC's Melissa Stark on Sunday that he's feeling pain on the left side of his neck that is causing symptoms into his left shoulder.

Jones said he's doing everything he can to heal up and prove to the doctors and trainers that he's ready to go.
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https://x.com/DDuggan21/status/1714310001223704773?s=20

Between his first neck injury and this one Jones is playing with fire. I get the money involved and the passion for the game but I beginning to wonder if it's in his best interests to retire before he suffers an injury that can't surgically be corrected. The fact the Giants have brought in quarterbacks tells me the injury is more significant than anyone is letting on. How much more significant I have no idea.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 16, 2023, 07:08:03 PMhttps://x.com/tompelissero/status/1714024381725164021?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

Sounds ominous.

Quote from: True Blue on October 16, 2023, 01:03:49 PMThis, plus with other OL and offensive players surely to be added along with possibly a new OL Coach, it gives them time to gel, work out at least some kinks, and hopefully have things more stable, so no rush to play the rookie week 1

Stroud is proving that a first round pick can step in and play very effectively as a rookie. I'm not so sure I can stomach another completely lost season in the hopes that we can be good the following one. I'm sure Daboll isn't willing to do it either. If they draft a qb in the first round he isn't going to be patient and groom him for the next head coach. He's going to play him early. If they've decided to move on for whatever reason having Jones around is a hindrance not a benefit.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 16, 2023, 12:46:44 PMThey weren't in position to draft a QB this past year and they were never just going to roll with Tyrod as the starter. Whoever they brought in would've probably gotten 2-3 years... which is basically what happened with DJ. He got 2/3 year deal and the Giants overpaid to (potentially) get out of it sooner side of that deal. I simply cannot view it as some huge error. Jones isn't living up to the paycheck, under admittedly difficult circumstances... but this is precisely why the deal is structured as such. And a complete dumpster fire of a season thankfully makes the path forward clearer.

They could have franchises him as a stop gap measure for this year when they could draft a quarterback of the future. It would have cost them a lot less and they would have been free and clear of him at years end. Now they're tied to him for at least another year. It's not my money but it's money that can't be used to improve the roster during free agency.

Quote from: T200 on October 16, 2023, 06:57:24 AMWhen Schoen came in and declined Jones's 5th year, I suggested then that they should just roll with Tyrod because he has a very similar skillset but would come at a much cheaper price. Plus, he was already under contract.

That was met with quite a bit of pushback, many citing his decision to run for a first down and got concussed against Chicago the previous season. Of course, he made a bone-headed decision last night as well. Point being, Taylor isn't the long-term answer... and neither is Jones.

In hindsight I agree with you. While I was in favor of franchising Jones as a stop gap measure I didn't think he played well enough to get the silly extension that they gave him.  If it wasn't worth picking up his void season then why was it worth extending him after throwing just 15 touchdowns?

I get that Daboll wants to win and Jones is better than Taylor but not enough to justify the huge contract disparity between the two. Huge, unforced error by Schoen IMHO

Quote from: Trench on October 16, 2023, 12:13:18 AMProblem is many guys on this board said Pugh is washed up and blasted just the thought of having him here as a starter. So when we say Pugh is better I think it's fair to look back at ol the negativity that was sent his way as well.

None of that negativity was coming from me though.

Quote from: JT39 on October 16, 2023, 12:05:31 AMEzeudu is terrible whether at guard or tackle. We plugged a guy who hasn't played in over a year and left tackle in 5 years and he was instantly better.

No xxxx Sherlock. One guy has been a starter in the NFL for close to a decade and the other is a guy with little experience who's been bounced around. Of course Pugh looked better because he's the better player.

Quote from: JT39 on October 15, 2023, 11:59:51 PMIs this game and indictment of how bad Ezeudu is as well? After Pugh got settled - he was light years better than Ezeudu.

Yep but Ezudu is strictly a guard. Pugh has been a halfway decent tackle at points in his pro career. Also at this point Ezudu hasn't even played 16 games in his career while Pugh has started 119.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on October 15, 2023, 11:56:03 PMOddly, the makeshift OL played better with Taylor out there. Nothing to do with the QB, though. <sarcasm>

Yes, Kent Graham is an improvement over Danny Kanell it seems.

Bingo. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

Quote from: Trench on October 15, 2023, 11:46:11 PMPugh deserves a helluva lot of credit for how he settled not only himself down but as I've been saying his veteran leadership has a chance to help this Oline jell.

Great job by Pugh

100%. He was light years better than Ezudu has been the last couple weeks. I am cautiously optimistic that this line will take a big step forward when Thomas and JMS return to the lineup.