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I haven't watched the other quarterbacks listed but when you calculate the average yardage per attempt you will see that most of Jones attempts are on very short routes so the % of pressure is slightly misrepresentative of reality. You really sholdn''t have pressure when you're running a five yard slant. Conversely if you're attacking down field it's more likely that the opponent will generate pressure. I suspect if the play calling mimicked Mahomes and Allen that our offensive line would shoot to the top of the list.

Quote from: spiderblue43 on October 09, 2023, 02:56:06 PMDoes Barkley even make it back before a possible trade? 🤔 His time is likely winding down with our heroes..why wouldn't we trade him in a lost season?

1000%. To me the untradables on the roster right now are Thomas, Robinson, JMS, Hyatt, Bellinger, Lawrence, Simmons, Thibs (still too early to give up), Flott, Banks, Pinnock and Gano. Everyone else could be had if we are offered fair value in return.

Quote from: katkavage on October 09, 2023, 12:14:02 PMAs of today, if the Giants are one of the top five picks in the draft, what position would you draft of the three most valuable positions on the field. QB? Tackle? Edge?

We know for a fact that there'll be at least one or two quarterbacks with a top 5 grade. Then you have a receiver in Marvin Harrison Jr  who will too but will there be a OT or edge player with a grade high enough to justify going that high? I'm not so sure there is as of right now. The worst thing they can do next year is reach.

Quote from: Philosophers on October 09, 2023, 02:11:07 PMEspecially when you now have a speed ILB in Simmons who should be doing that.

However, I see no power or speed to power on Thibs' part.  As of now he looks more like a cleanup sack defender.

I'm inclined to agree but we saw the burst and power at times last year. Is he discontent with his role and it's effecting him mentally, is he thinking too much? I don't really know. He was more disruptive last year than this year even if he ends up with more sacks,

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 09, 2023, 01:41:35 PMPat Leonard
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Brian Daboll says it's "too early to tell" on the statuses of C John Michael Schmitz (shoulder) and LB Micah McFadden (foot) this week

Daboll said of edge Azeez Ojulari (ankle) he'll have "more on Wednesday" (so still gathering info)

Wan'Dale Robinson likely will sit out practice Wednesday to rest his knee but shouldn't keep him out of the game. Deonte Banks probably will be limited on Wednesday but likely won't keep him out of the game

He's optimistic about Marcus McKethan

https://x.com/RalphVacchiano/status/1711433334734172296?s=20

Is there a bigger tease on this roster than Ojulari? He plays well when he's healthy but he's never healthy.

What I am about to say is in no way meant to exonerate Thibs for the level of his play thus far in his career, but why in God's name do you draft an OLB fifth overall and then ask him to set the edge on running plays and then drop him into coverage with regularity.

When you're drafting a player that high it's to get a guy who can be disruptive in the backfield. I just don't understand why they wasted the 5th overall just to use him in a manner that is least likely to get the greatest impact out of him.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 09, 2023, 11:47:05 AMIn Gettleman's defense he did draft a starting Left Tackle with the 4th overall pick the year after Jones was drafted.  That guy turned out to become an All Pro Tackle.  Schoen has spent a number of draft capital on linemen.  The Giants have spent more draft capital on linemen than any team in the league yet have gotten the worst ROI of any team in the league.  It's why I don't believe spending another Top 10 draft selection on a linemen in 2024 is the solution.  The Giants need to figure out what they're doing wrong and why their high value investments have given them so little.

You missed the part where I said that it should be done the year of or year after you draft the quarterback. Our line sucked back then. Drafting one lineman doesn't qualify as throwing assets at the line.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 09, 2023, 11:19:07 AMSometimes, we have seen such QBs do well later in their careers.  Look at Geno Smith or Rich Gannon as two examples (Randy Mueller had more examples in his latest podcast but I can't remember them).

Neither guy was physically brutalized for years like Jones has been. The only analog I can come up with is David Carr. I've said this in the past and I'll say it again and again. If you're going to draft a quarterback in the top ten you had better be prepared to waste significant cap space and draft picks to ensure he has a competent offensive line to play behind. Apparently Dave Gettleman had different ideas.

Quote from: TDToomer on October 09, 2023, 10:44:53 AMI blame the coaches for not swapping him an Neal. Neal played LT his final year of college which is why he was taken 7th overall. There is no reason why he should not be protecting the blind side.

Are you sure that it would have made any difference? Both guys aren't good.

With Drake May and Caleb Williams floating around out there I'd hope that every veteran who is on an expiring contract with some value will be dealt for picks and a better chance of actually landing a franchise quarterback. It's not like Williams, Jackson and McKinney are making a difference. If Barkley gets healthy and plays well they should move him too. Same goes for Waller and Campbell.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 06:06:28 PMJones hasn't been good enough to blast anyone.  But even if he was that's not him.  No one ever questioned his professionalism and toughness but that is only going to take a player so far in the NFL.

The man has been physically brutalized because of other men's ineptitude. Never said he was a good player but when you get beat pillar to post every weekend you have a right to say something IMHO.

Agreed. If anyone was ever justified in putting his teammates, coaches and organization on blast it's Jones. He is a class act even if he isn't the guy at the position.

Mara was born on third base thinking he hit a triple. Let's face it, the children of really successful people tend to think that they inherited the gifts of their parents. They didn't. Mara is incompetent. I have a decade of absolute dysfunction to back that statement up. I don't have a beef with Tisch because he isn't involved in the day to day operations of the franchise.

Could anyone do better with the bag of garbage he's handed every week?

Quote from: True Blue on October 07, 2023, 03:17:29 PMClaypool? The Bears gave Pit a 2nd round pick

You're right. I thought it was a 4th. Even then he wore his welcome out in three years. How many guys with his size, speed and athletic ability get traded that early in their careers. His first years were really good.