Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 24, 2024, 02:00:00 PMI think without a doubt that was a disaster picking Toney but for me it was before that in 2019.

Reaching for Jones in 2019 instead of bolstering both lines and waiting on 2020 which was the best draft class for Qbs since Eli's class was the defining mistake of this past 10 years.

I agree they shouldn't have reached for Jones.

But did 2020 REALLY end up being the best QB class since Eli's class?


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Quote from: Bob In PA on March 25, 2024, 11:52:59 AMandrew: I'd like to agree completely, but it is IMO a rare enough event to get a shot at a true "bell-cow" WR to justify jumping on it this year, unless (1) the Giants see a proven elite WR who'll become a free agent in 2025 (for whom they're willing to outbid virtually any other team); or (2) they have a SINGLE favorite high-1st-round-worthy WR in mind this year and that guy is gone.

I do see how waiting fits into your plan, which I like, but it's cheaper to draft one this year than overpay a 2025 free agent, and, there is a high bust rate for first round WR's in general.

Further, IMO there is a least one bust-proof WR this year. Next year? I don't know. Good post.

Bob

Bob, as always I respect your POV.

My only counter to your well thought out position is that college football (as it relates to the passing game) has become a literal minor league system to the NFL.

Quality WR's and (coming up fast) QB's reveal themselves by October of each of the past 5 collegiate football seasons.

Hell Ohio State has produced at least 10 top wideouts in that time...a program that once built its aura around 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

The teams that win year in and year out are built at the LOS on both sides, and start with consistency in the back seven.


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I will sound like a broken record..because on this topic; I AM!

Trade down, grab another 2nd this year and a 1st next year.

Then prioritize OL (yep even with the FAs we picked up), CB, DT.

Next priority LB and WR.

Higher WR & QB should be addressed next year. We're not winning anything this year anyway so having an extra #1 and a top 10 of your own to maneuver, knowing that the trenches on the roster are deep in talent; that's how I'd like to see this team built.


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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 23, 2024, 04:38:52 PMDidn't he sign a three year contract with Seattle?

Damn! Don't know how I missed that. Thanks for the heads up!

PS. I wouldn't have spent THAT kind of $$$ on him.


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I'd like to see Leo come back at a reasonable $$ amount.

He had good chemistry with Dex and I think he can still bring the pressure.


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Quote from: sooners56 on March 23, 2024, 02:50:12 PMChris Simms had MHJ ranked 3rd behind Nabers and Brian Thomas Jr. Simms also states that many NFL folks feel the same.

In separation? Or as an overall WR?


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Does it make you nervous that MH Jr is not participating in any pro days and did nothing at the combine?


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No offense to anyone here.

If you believe JJ is a solid GET @ #6, I would just like to remind every one of the last QB we took @ #6 overall.

Bigger games, and bigger wins but also carried by the OLINE, running game & defense for JJ.

If they're inclined to take him, they may as well stick with what they have. There's negligible difference, unless it's simply a "restart the clock" pick.


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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 19, 2024, 05:17:07 PMVery good point on Coughlin. Mara has been all over the place with his penchant for playing favorites and getting emotional about certain individuals based on personal feelings, family ties, recommendations from octogenarians who haven't had an NFL job in at least a decade, and other past associations instead of actual performance and accomplishments. That sort of thing can really be corrosive to the morale of a competitive organization, as you aptly articulate regarding your personal example as a manager.

I hope Mara is able to see all this and has the self-awareness to acknowledge it and try to work on it.

As the Maras went, so went Coughlin...the difference was a little guy named Reese who made Coughlin the scapegoat in a desperate attempt to capture some type of autonomy and power.

The problem was/is Maras still remain.

I'm jealous of the Redskins, they finally have a chance at a functional organization.


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Telling a player they're guaranteed to start and telling them they have the chance to win the starting job are two VERY different things.

In my mind, they told each player the latter...Lock liked what he heard, Wilson didn't.

As far as I'm concerned, the fact that they entertained Wilson is worrisome to me. Dabol is slipping a little more each day in my eyes.


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Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 22, 2024, 08:10:45 AMThe OL they signed on day 1 of FA graded as better pass blockers than run blockers.  I have taken that in coordination with other moves as a sign  that they are moving to a pass 1st offense.  Thst has led me to believe they are likely to take a WR at 6 to fill that hole at WR1.

Edit:  I do share your concern as the only player that defenses had to game plan for is gone.

Well the problem with a pass first offense especially  in today's game is that you need at minimum an above average QB to run it.

You can get away (to an extent) with an average QB with a string running game. Now they have neither. That's my concern.


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I for one appreciate Barkley. He was a good soldier who never complained, and tried REAL HARD to carry the offense on his back.

Was he perfect? NO!  But he left it all out on the field.

Just like many argue about the QB, if we had built a better team(OLINE) AND THEN added him, we may have been watching a generational RB IMVHO.

But we'll never know...and may continue to suffer this fate until/unless ownership stays out of the war room and other personnel meetings and allow the football people run football operations with their own vision instead of advocating for his pet projects that continually set the franchise back.


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Ahh YES, another reason for me to dislike Wink!

GO BUCKEYES!!  LOL


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Quote from: TONKA56 on March 22, 2024, 08:59:17 AMNo spring chicken? He's only 26.

I'm speaking in reference to how he views how much time he has left to play on a functional offense vs a rebuilding one.


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