Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 25, 2023, 07:17:00 AM

They keep changing their podcast names and in the past have been erratic with their podcast releases. Big let down. Hopefully, they finally fixed those issues.

Quote from: Ed Vette on September 25, 2023, 10:28:01 AMIf I were the Jets, I'd be accepting calls from the Cards for Murray.

You really want Murray? He, Lamar, and Fields I'm not sold on. They have their legs and use mainly the center of the field. They are generally not good at throwing all the parts of the field, more so the sideline and deep. This year will be telling for some as will next year.

I agree, Dobbs looks interesting. A team may take a shot at him if the cards go another way and he continues to fight and play well.

The worse feeling is when we lose, but what makes it a tad more bearable is when the Cowboys, Redskins & Jets lose... Now for the Eagles, they haven't been the same this year either. And our toughest part of the schedule is the early half. Gotta survive.

If he isn't that is a damn shame and he should be. But I recall them saying that they go over plays based on what the coaches and DJ like and go from there.

Quote from: Rambo89 on September 24, 2023, 08:18:03 AMHe had his chance to be a FA and turned it down.  I think he knows the grass isn't always greener on the other side and not every team would be as patient with him as the Giants have due to having an owner who is obsessed with him succeeding.

Here's the thing those examples of HOF QB's are the rare game here and there for those players.  Those are the exception for them not the norm.  For Daniel Jones they're the norm.

Daniel Jones is a 5th year QB.  Not a first or even second year.  He's not awful.  He'll show you flashes at times but his overall game gives you average production.  He's Alex Smith who was on bad teams with little help early in his career then when he finally got help put together some good seasons but was never elite.  If you have a team around Jones to prop him up he can put together some good QB seasons (I don't consider 3,200 15 TD's a good season).  But I don't think he'll ever be on that elite level.

Those aren't aberrations, bad lines even kill good qbs, like David Carr who never had a chance in Houston b/c of the line.

Alex Smith was ok/good, DJ is above that and I heard that comparison b4 by Cosell. Alex never had the arm and rarely tried to go deep. And Alex had good teams around him. DJ doesn't have the time, and when he does he slings it even when he had no weapons, and guess what, turnover galore. 3 ints this year none on DJ but his guys who caught or tipped the ball for ints. And how many drops again?

Like most things if not all. Context matters, those who don't use it or like it tend to know their argument(s) are weak.

Quote from: Rambo89 on September 23, 2023, 05:31:22 PMIf it's always about what's around Daniel Jones and never about him then it tells me he's not ever going to be elite.  Yes, he has proven he can be a solid average QB.  He's not awful but not great.

Difference between the guys you mentioned and Jones is that Jones has better physical skills than they do but his pocket awareness and instincts are just as lacking as theirs were.  I hate to tell John Mara but no matter how much he tries to find the next Eli looking for a QB with a similar personality there is only one Eli.  Find a QB with the full skill set rather than another Eli.

Do you recall how Brady looked in the SB when his line couldn't protect him? Even Mahomes when both his tackles were injured heading to the SB game. Wasn't a good outcome for either.

You need stability there. If they ever get there, then we can see. First, he had issues with turnovers and staying healthy. He corrected them by not always trying to do too much as many of the QBS try to do. There are times to take chances and then others not. He also (knock on wood) has started to stay healthy.

Eli had line problems and looked like crap for years due to it as well as bad weapons around him for years. If they had at least good/average players he would have done more and maybe played several more years.

The bottom line, he has looked good when he generally has had protection, but without at least an average oline the majority of the time, it's hard to judge a QB when the QB gets hit, and sacked all the time.

Wasn't it nearly 70% of his pass plays vs. the Cowboys DJ got hit? And you want him to stand in the pocket longer with that "protection"? I know some people like pain, but that would be unbearable lol.

Again, can agree to disagree. But if/when they fix that oline and if DJ is still here then if he dinks/dunks I'm rt with you. Otherwise the jury is still out.

Quote from: Rambo89 on September 23, 2023, 05:09:55 PMAgain this isn't about his arm strength or accuracy.  It's about his pocket awareness and instincts lacking.

I know what you were getting at, but I guess you missed what I was getting at. If we had a solid oline and he did as he was doing, then I would tend to agree with you, but what consistent oline have we had that was also solid over the last few years?

Our oline started to decline when we won our last SB, I was calling for upgrades back then, and since then, we have never really had a solid/trustworthy oline that our QB's could rely on.

I lived through Kent, Brown, Danny & u saw they had no awareness or real traits. I wanted them gone fairly early based on that. I will call out players that should be gone and others that need a chance. As Mara said, they did everything they could to screw up DJ. Their biggest need is to get that oline straight.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 22, 2023, 08:13:21 AMSome players are special in terms of their ability to make things happen.  The Giants have two such players in Hyatt and Simmons.  Yet here were their snap counts from last night:

Hyatt 16 32%

Simmons 25 30%

I agree, but I do think it's possibly because they are still learning. Then again, just tell them where to go and let them loose.

With a bigger break than normal before our next game, we may see that change as well as others.

Quote from: Rambo89 on September 23, 2023, 04:43:25 PMOr maybe Jones has a habit of always looking for the Checkdowns instead of down field.

Yeah maybe, as one of the most accurate deep passers around. Under Pat he got the nickname Danny Dimes for throwing deep and accurate passes not dinks. But sure.

And on a serious note, if he has limited protection I can't blame him unless u want him to get killed. Some couldn't get open fast enough, some dropped passes (and another int from a wr can't bring in the catch), a lot of bad pass pro, and sure some are on him, like any other qb. Clean up the pass pro and u will see a different DJ. Not sure what is hard to understand... But sure, let's kick him to the curb & that defense was no help either.

Think they started playing better, this past weeks issue was the horrible tackling and angles taking.

Quote from: Rambo89 on September 23, 2023, 04:21:47 PMIf there's any truth to this it does show with how predictable Jones is in his decision making

Hmm, maybe the protection had something to do with it as well as the play calling. Same in Arizona, conservative first half & opened it up 2nd half.

Think most asked why they were dinking and dunking nearly all game. Then again, look at out oline starters and their experience. Not hard to figure out why, unfortunately.

Hope we see them again with a healthy and improved oline in the playoffs. They got lucky early, paid off the refs, and not one of our oline combined doesn't have a full season starting.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 05, 2023, 12:12:24 PMAgree with all of the above and don't think any of them were bad picks at all. My draft is tonight, and I am planning on drafting Jones if the QBs before him that I'm interested don't fall to me. If Jones throws for 4k plus and something like 28-30 TDs, plus he has 500-plus rushing yards and say 4-5 rushing TDs, he is going way too late for those numbers in drafts.

With kickers I usually like to take dome kickers if I can, ideally on teams with old school coaches who don't like to go for it on 4th down as much, although there is clearly nothing wrong with taking Gano. He is obviously great.

agreed, reason I wanted DJ.

I like to take kickers with high scoring offenses, domes are a plus, but generally a great/reliable kicker will nail it no matter.

Thanks again & GL in your draft!

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 05, 2023, 09:43:29 AMThat roster looks pretty good.   How many teams in your league?

10 & thanks. First draft in several years. Stopped playing FFL for a while.

But kept doing pickems..